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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2019, 10:28:54 PM »
I don't like crowlers because they are notoriously bad for this.  They are a very temporary packaging at best. If I ever get one filled I drink it as soon as I get home.  Honestly, glass growlers are better since they have a smaller opening (less O2 pickup) and as long as the lid gets screwed on tight you're golden.  Crowlers with crimped on lids can get all kinds of messed up, especially with bar staff doing it.  And by no means am I disparaging bar staff, but when it's the kind of thing you do 2-3 times a shift you may not notice if something gets out of alignment, whereas a dedicated can line, as mentioned above, where you have thousands of cans going through you're going to notice a problem right away.
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2019, 05:03:25 PM »
The better canning and bottling lines will Purge the package with CO2 a couple of times before filling. Bottling lines can pull a vacuum before and between purges.

Crowlers? I will just say that some places squirt some CO2 in. More for show than effective. Don't get me started on the barstaff picking up the cans with their fingers in the can.
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2019, 06:38:40 PM »
The better canning and bottling lines will Purge the package with CO2 a couple of times before filling. Bottling lines can pull a vacuum before and between purges.

Crowlers? I will just say that some places squirt some CO2 in. More for show than effective. Don't get me started on the barstaff picking up the cans with their fingers in the can.

I have the same reaction when I see someone filling a glass with the end of the tap in the glass letting it overflow all over the outside of the tap. It makes me cringe. I don't understand why EVERYONE does that.  It doesn't make any sense.  It obviously doesn't help with foaming if your just gonna hold it there and let a full pint pour out. You're wasting beer and getting your taps filthy and I can guarantee they don't get cleaned very often.  When every beer from a taproom has the same sour/diacetyl off flavor that's the reason why.
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2019, 08:11:39 PM »
Just saw this video. THIS is the way to purge and fill a to go container   

https://youtu.be/jQsc0vEEaLo


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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2019, 08:20:11 PM »
Just saw this video. THIS is the way to purge and fill a to go container   

https://youtu.be/jQsc0vEEaLo


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That's awesome.  I presume it's pulling a vacuum and charging with CO2 for a couple of cycles just like a proper bottling line.  I wonder if it's a custom build for Victory, or if it's commercially available to other taproom operators.  And whether it costs more, or less, than a typical 3 bedroom house.  (I'm going with more.)
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2019, 02:23:22 PM »
I wonder if it's a custom build for Victory, or if it's commercially available to other taproom operators.

They have a very similar growler setup at Tröegs.  At least I'm pretty sure.  It's been a few years since I was there.

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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2019, 12:24:32 PM »
Just saw this video. THIS is the way to purge and fill a to go container   

https://youtu.be/jQsc0vEEaLo


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That is quite unique indeed.  I’m guessing the growler is purged with CO2 as opposed to a vacuum.  Very cool setup!
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2019, 03:39:11 PM »
I wonder if it's a custom build for Victory, or if it's commercially available to other taproom operators.  And whether it costs more, or less, than a typical 3 bedroom house.  (I'm going with more.)

I haven't gotten a quote on one that size, but they're surprisingly affordable: https://www.micromatic.com/micro-matic-growler-filler/growler-filler-gf-14515-g2
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2019, 03:54:33 PM »
I wonder if it's a custom build for Victory, or if it's commercially available to other taproom operators.  And whether it costs more, or less, than a typical 3 bedroom house.  (I'm going with more.)

I haven't gotten a quote on one that size, but they're surprisingly affordable: https://www.micromatic.com/micro-matic-growler-filler/growler-filler-gf-14515-g2
So your friendly taproom is basically making a choice between fresh beer or a used Skee ball machine.  Hmm, that should not be so hard.   But apparently it is for some.
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2019, 04:55:58 PM »
So your friendly taproom is basically making a choice between fresh beer or a used Skee ball machine.  Hmm, that should not be so hard.   But apparently it is for some.

Do you know how much money the Skee-Ball machine makes us?!

But to bring the topic back around, that's why crowlers seem like such a solution in search of problem to me. It's just so much less expensive and better for beer quality to rig up a way to counter pressure fill growlers.
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2019, 02:37:05 AM »
So your friendly taproom is basically making a choice between fresh beer or a used Skee ball machine.  Hmm, that should not be so hard.   But apparently it is for some.

Do you know how much money the Skee-Ball machine makes us?!

But to bring the topic back around, that's why crowlers seem like such a solution in search of problem to me. It's just so much less expensive and better for beer quality to rig up a way to counter pressure fill growlers.
I like crowlers if I'm traveling-I don't want to buy a glass growler and shove it in my luggage. Plus you can't take glass to the beach or camping.

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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2019, 11:23:17 PM »
If you don't want to name the brewery can you name the N. CA. town?
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Re: Stale beer direct from brewery
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2019, 12:32:41 AM »
Fort Bragg, CA. I think there are only 2 breweries there, so you can probably figure it out.
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