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Offline MagicRat

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Hefe recipe thoughts
« on: May 12, 2019, 11:43:50 am »
The Weihenstephaner Hefe is probably my favorite beer in the world but I haven’t had much luck brewing this style in the past, not sure why exactly, but I’m ready to give it another shot.  I read in a recent article that the writer had been advised by somebody at Weihenstephan that on a homebrew scale it might be best to go with a 60% wheat/20% pils/20% Munich ratio.  At the very least, the SRM looks like it will be closer to the real thing than my previous efforts.  Hope I can nail it this time!


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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2019, 01:46:18 pm »
That looks like a good start.  Also use some rice hulls in the batch to prevent a stuck runoff with that much wheat.
That yeast strain is an aggressive fermenter so you will need a blow-off tube in your fermenter as well

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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2019, 01:50:13 pm »
Actually, I decided to go without rice hulls this time.  It always seems to throw off my absorption calculations and efficiency projections.  I’ve made other beers with similar amounts of wheat and have never had a problem with stuck sparse.  We’ll see ...


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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2019, 02:21:56 pm »
Actually, I decided to go without rice hulls this time.  It always seems to throw off my absorption calculations and efficiency projections.  I’ve made other beers with similar amounts of wheat and have never had a problem with stuck sparse.  We’ll see ...


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Do you rinse the hulls before using them?
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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2019, 03:24:09 pm »
I did the last time I used wheat.


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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2019, 06:46:03 pm »
Rinse, Denny? I've not heard of that before. How and Why?
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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2019, 07:07:33 pm »
Rinse, Denny? I've not heard of that before. How and Why?

Not Denny and I don't want to speak for him.... But,

I've heard people say you should soak rice hulls in water prior to using in the mash to remove dirt from the hulls. By rinsing them you don't introduce dirt into the mash and wort.

Personally, I haven't rinsed rice hulls when I have used them.

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Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2019, 07:17:49 pm »
Not sure why Denny recommends it but I believe you should rinse rice hulls because they’ll suck up all your wort otherwise.  If they’re wet they won’t.


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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2019, 07:56:01 am »
Not sure why Denny recommends it but I believe you should rinse rice hulls because they’ll suck up all your wort otherwise.  If they’re wet they won’t.


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Yeah, that's main reason, especially in regard to the OP. 
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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2019, 09:48:08 am »
The Weihenstephaner Hefe is probably my favorite beer in the world but I haven’t had much luck brewing this style in the past, not sure why exactly, but I’m ready to give it another shot.  I read in a recent article that the writer had been advised by somebody at Weihenstephan that on a homebrew scale it might be best to go with a 60% wheat/20% pils/20% Munich ratio.  At the very least, the SRM looks like it will be closer to the real thing than my previous efforts.  Hope I can nail it this time!


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I spent a long time trying to nail the color of this beer as well. My beer always turned out much lighter than the original (even when buying it close to the source). I took 3rd in NHC last year doing 60%/35%/5% wheat/pils/carahell (source: https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/hefe-weissbier-bavarian-style.561388/). It was still a little light color-wise, but it was close enough to the original in flavor and mouthfeel for me. Up until nationals I had been experimenting with dark munich in varying percentages and while I think the color was a little closer, the flavor wasn't quite right.
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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2019, 09:58:17 am »
I've enjoyed using 70% red wheat malt 30% pils.  Still settling on mash and yeast choices.

Next time around I'll be trying a simplified mash steps in Jeff Alworth's Secrets of Master Brewers book and using wy3638 or wlp351, open fermentation, and speise/spunding.  As per this thread on homebrewtalk:https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/schneider-sohn-original-german-hefe-weizen-ale.659768/page-2#post-8496072

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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2019, 02:14:32 pm »
When I rinsed, it was because of the absorption issue. 
Is there some reason why there would be some inordinate amount of dirt on rice hulls that we don’t see on the grain we buy?  The wort is drained and boiled from there anyway.  Has anybody ever experienced dirt making it into their beer from rice hulls?


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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2019, 02:40:31 pm »
When I rinsed, it was because of the absorption issue. 
Is there some reason why there would be some inordinate amount of dirt on rice hulls that we don’t see on the grain we buy?  The wort is drained and boiled from there anyway.  Has anybody ever experienced dirt making it into their beer from rice hulls?


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Not dirt necessarily...more like dust from processing.
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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2019, 03:02:59 pm »
When I rinsed, it was because of the absorption issue. 
Is there some reason why there would be some inordinate amount of dirt on rice hulls that we don’t see on the grain we buy?  The wort is drained and boiled from there anyway.  Has anybody ever experienced dirt making it into their beer from rice hulls?


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Not dirt necessarily...more like dust from processing.
Wouldn't that just be held back after vorlauf?

Or do you mean starchy rice dust you don't want to introduce after mash off?
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Re: Hefe recipe thoughts
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2019, 04:34:24 pm »
Great info here: http://braumagazin.de/article/brewing-bavarian-weissbier-all-you-ever-wanted-to-know/
Also I highly recommend spunding to a high carbonation.

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