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Offline spurviance

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wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« on: June 03, 2019, 05:37:15 PM »
I'm planning to brew a dopplebock that I've made several times and really enjoy.  Typically I use Imperial L17 Harvest (Wyeast 2352, wlp6860).  I'm tempted to use some wlp001 slurry that I will have available and am curious what, if any, flavor differences I can expect from this yeast.  My dopplebock comes in around 1.082 OG, and has a rich, malty, dark fruit flavor to it that I really like.  I'm feeling both experimental and frugal thus wanting to try this, but not at the expense of a disappointing beer....Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2019, 05:38:40 PM »
Should be fine.
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2019, 01:13:24 AM »
I’ve made many Doppel Bocks as it is my favorite style. I once experimented with what your thinking of doing. I didn’t like the result at all. I now had 5 gallons of beer I didn’t like. WLP001 is an ale yeast and even though it’s clean tasting it is not a lager yeast. My local brew pub just brewed a Doppel Bock. I was excited. I ordered a pint and immediately went to talk to the brewer. I ask if he used ale yeast and indeed he had. I never ordered a second and I had a hard time drinking the first. I’m cheap and reuse my yeast but I would never use ale yeast in a Doppel Bock. Ale yeast will ferment and make a beer but it won’t be a Doppel Bock.

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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2019, 01:29:46 AM »
I have had a quite plausible light, pale lager made with an unspecified "American ale yeast" by a local brewery.  Actually among the most lager-like craft lagers I've had during the recent explosion of the style.  But not a Doppelbock.  Maybe that's just too big a beer to minimize fermentation characteristics in.
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2019, 11:49:34 AM »
I think you will like the beer. I think it would be better with lager yeast.

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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2019, 02:48:17 PM »
Thank you for the responses....My brewing window got pushed back a couple weeks giving me more time to contemplate....
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2019, 01:07:47 AM »
Chico will attenuate more deeply than most lager strains, and it also produces less sulfur. Given the same recipe, I suspect Chico will produce a drier and blander doppelbock. Not a terrible one, just a blander one, lacking the character you're looking for. Probably still drinkable and enjoyable, but if you're going for malty and authentically lager-ish, WLP001 is not the strain to use.

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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2019, 01:46:02 AM »
If you can do this, I suggest that you brew a smaller lager with a lager yeast, like a dunkel and then pitch the whole yeast cake from the dunkel into the dopplebock.  I have had success with that approach when using lager yeast.
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2019, 04:20:26 PM »
Chico will attenuate more deeply than most lager strains, and it also produces less sulfur. Given the same recipe, I suspect Chico will produce a drier and blander doppelbock. Not a terrible one, just a blander one, lacking the character you're looking for. Probably still drinkable and enjoyable, but if you're going for malty and authentically lager-ish, WLP001 is not the strain to use.

Thank you, this makes sense.  What I love about my doppelbock is the malty, fruity complexity that I get from it. 
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2019, 04:23:08 PM »
If you can do this, I suggest that you brew a smaller lager with a lager yeast, like a dunkel and then pitch the whole yeast cake from the dunkel into the dopplebock.  I have had success with that approach when using lager yeast.
Agree.  For my current doppelbock on tap I used the whole slurry of Imperial Harvest yeast that was used to ferment a Dortmunder export lager and it performed beautifully!
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2019, 04:35:39 PM »
 Isn't Rogue's Dead Guy beer a bock fermented with an ale yeast?
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2019, 04:04:28 AM »
Isn't Rogue's Dead Guy beer a bock fermented with an ale yeast?

Yes.  It uses the Rogue house standard Pac Man yeast.

It has been a long, long time (at least 10 years) since I last had one, so I don't want to comment on the flavor.
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Re: wlp001 in a Dopplebock
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2019, 05:06:58 PM »
Isn't Rogue's Dead Guy beer a bock fermented with an ale yeast?
Yes.  It uses the Rogue house standard Pac Man yeast.
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