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Offline Tim

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Re: PBW vs. Automatic Dishwashing Detergent
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2020, 12:39:12 pm »
It depends.  I use dollar store Oxiclean and it works well if I use warm water and let it soak overnight.  I can't say I really notice a difference with PBW.

I use cheap dishwasher detergent with my keg/carboy/bottle washer.  I never really thought about using this instead of Oxi or PBW.  When I have used these in the washer they suds up too much.  One other thing I noticed, looking at the ingredients, one if its ingredients is bleach.  So, I make sure I rinse well when I am done.

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Re: PBW vs. Automatic Dishwashing Detergent
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2020, 10:42:51 pm »
From Ron Minkoff's HomebrewCon  panel. I have not tried this.

Poor Man's PBW.
10 oz.. seventh generation dishwasher detergent - Walmart
16 oz Red Devil TSP - Amazon
24 oz Oxy-Clean, no fragrance
That's Red Devil TSP/90 -- a TSP substitute.

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Re: PBW vs. Automatic Dishwashing Detergent
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2020, 09:09:38 pm »
From Ron Minkoff's HomebrewCon  panel. I have not tried this.

Poor Man's PBW.
10 oz.. seventh generation dishwasher detergent - Walmart
16 oz Red Devil TSP - Amazon
24 oz Oxy-Clean, no fragrance
That's Red Devil TSP/90 -- a TSP substitute.

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Re: PBW vs. Automatic Dishwashing Detergent
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2020, 08:28:35 am »
Just to add to this, and Rob will concur,  I also use a cleaner made for bulk milk tanks to clean glassware like carboys.  It is cheap and works well.  IIRC,  I bought a 25 lb tub of the stuff for less than $40 and it last a long time.

I still use PBW to clean my fermenter, plate chiller, keggles, and RIMS system.  Will maybe try Craftmeister for these part s of my brew system once my 4# tub of PBW is gone.
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Re: PBW vs. Automatic Dishwashing Detergent
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2020, 08:50:38 am »
I'm currently using the homemade PBW as my alkaline cleaner, and I use dairy milkstone remover as an acid rinse following alkaline cleaning, and as my beerstone remover (it's all just calcium oxalate deposits.)  This dairy product is the same composition (42% phosphoric acid with water and surfactants) and costs about a tenth of what you'll pay for Five Star's BS Remover, or Acid 5, etc. 

Sometimes a product can be relabelled for brewery use and marked up just because homebrewers or craft brewers will pay up.  Farmers can't.  Sad but true.
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Re: PBW vs. Automatic Dishwashing Detergent
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2020, 06:47:09 am »

Sometimes a product can be relabelled for brewery use and marked up just because homebrewers or craft brewers will pay up.  Farmers can't.  Sad but true.

Excellent point, Robert.  I never considered that, but I bet you’re absolutely spot on.
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Re: PBW vs. Automatic Dishwashing Detergent
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2020, 08:13:39 am »
I'm currently using the homemade PBW as my alkaline cleaner, and I use dairy milkstone remover as an acid rinse following alkaline cleaning, and as my beerstone remover (it's all just calcium oxalate deposits.)  This dairy product is the same composition (42% phosphoric acid with water and surfactants) and costs about a tenth of what you'll pay for Five Star's BS Remover, or Acid 5, etc. 

Sometimes a product can be relabelled for brewery use and marked up just because homebrewers or craft brewers will pay up.  Farmers can't.  Sad but true.

The acid rinse I use is Stronghold NPS which has a mixture of Nitric, Phosphoric, and Sulfuric acid.  I am trying to find the percentages of each but so far no luck on retrieving the MSDS for this product.  However it is similar to Learacid marketed by Loeffler which we used at the brewery I worked for.  It works well and I got it at a dairy supply store for about $50 for a five gallon container (I only need about 12 ml in a couple gallons of water).  It will last me forever!  I have also given some to some of the locals to acid rinse their stuff.
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