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1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« on: November 22, 2019, 12:24:32 AM »
how many packs of 34/70 would you use for a 3 gallon 1048-50 lager rehydrated pitched cold 45F no aeration besides the splashing of filling the fermenter?
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1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2019, 12:26:46 AM »
I’d use one. ~ 1 gram per liter. No aeration required straight out of the package.


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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2019, 12:30:26 AM »
thats what i was thinking too even though the yeast calculator said to use 23 grams, i felt that is way overpitching, thank you for chiming in
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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2019, 12:52:13 AM »
One pack is plenty for 3 gallons.

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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2019, 05:30:17 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?

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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2019, 06:53:36 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify
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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2019, 07:32:37 PM »
I have tried both ways (pitching warm and cooling down in the first day or chilling to below fermentation temp and pitching, then allowing to rise to fermentation temperature.)  I have had luck with both, as long as the pitch temperature is reasonably close to the fermentation temperature, so there is no shock involved.  I prefer to get the wort to fermentation temperature now, but that is partly because I ferment my lagers a tad warmer these days than my old practice (I ferment in the mid 50's for lagers a lot, occasionally cooler).  YMMV, so give both a try and see what you prefer.

In my experience, Diacetyl rests are relatively unnecessary when you pitch an adequate amount of healthy, active yeast.

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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2019, 07:44:30 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify

I'd like to get the reasoning behind both of these theories
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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2019, 07:55:36 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify

I'd like to get the reasoning behind both of these theories
IDK Denny, but from what i heard pitching a few degrees colder then fermentation temp reduces diacetyl and esters but it also seems that every other day a old method is proven to be obsolete, i really dont know what is what nor do i know what is important for making great beer anymore cause everything i learned seems to not matter 
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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2019, 08:07:18 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify

I'd like to get the reasoning behind both of these theories
IDK Denny, but from what i heard pitching a few degrees colder then fermentation temp reduces diacetyl and esters but it also seems that every other day a old method is proven to be obsolete, i really dont know what is what nor do i know what is important for making great beer anymore cause everything i learned seems to not matter
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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2019, 08:30:22 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify

I'd like to get the reasoning behind both of these theories

Hi Denny,
I'm struggling to find the original source I stumbled upon but here's one tidbit straight from the mfr: https://www.whitelabs.com/faq/brewing/what-temperature-should-i-pitch-lager-yeast
I personally have found that my yeast used to take a good couple days to hit a high level of activity/krausen and now I'm rocking and rolling 12 hours later or less.
I'm no chemist/yeast guru so I'll be over my head if the conversation goes town a technical rabbit hole, sorry...

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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2019, 08:41:39 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify

I'd like to get the reasoning behind both of these theories
IDK Denny, but from what i heard pitching a few degrees colder then fermentation temp reduces diacetyl and esters but it also seems that every other day a old method is proven to be obsolete, i really dont know what is what nor do i know what is important for making great beer anymore cause everything i learned seems to not matter
Try for yourself and see what works.
yeah but in order to see what works for you one should have a firm grasp on fundamentals and thats where the problem begins cause all the fundamentals that i have learned turned out to be of no consequence
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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2019, 09:11:22 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify

I'd like to get the reasoning behind both of these theories
IDK Denny, but from what i heard pitching a few degrees colder then fermentation temp reduces diacetyl and esters but it also seems that every other day a old method is proven to be obsolete, i really dont know what is what nor do i know what is important for making great beer anymore cause everything i learned seems to not matter

Or an old myth gets new life by someone repeating it.  I used to believe it, too, I til I tried pitching at 65F.  No diacetyl.  And if you think about, that makes sense since more active yeast reduces diacetyl.  I recommend you try everything you have a question about and see what YOU think.
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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2019, 09:11:53 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify

I'd like to get the reasoning behind both of these theories
IDK Denny, but from what i heard pitching a few degrees colder then fermentation temp reduces diacetyl and esters but it also seems that every other day a old method is proven to be obsolete, i really dont know what is what nor do i know what is important for making great beer anymore cause everything i learned seems to not matter
Try for yourself and see what works.

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Re: 1 or 2 packs 34/70 for 1048-50 lager 3 gallons?
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2019, 09:13:03 PM »
i recently learned that pitching warmer, even for lagers, is healthier so i'm curious what's driving you to pitch that cold?
from all the research i have read pitching cold reduces diacetyl, i was always told to pitch cold and let the temp warm up to fermentation temps 50-52F, pitching warm gets the fermentation going faster but increases diacetyl. IDK maybe a more experienced lager brewer can chime in and clarify

I'd like to get the reasoning behind both of these theories

Hi Denny,
I'm struggling to find the original source I stumbled upon but here's one tidbit straight from the mfr: https://www.whitelabs.com/faq/brewing/what-temperature-should-i-pitch-lager-yeast
I personally have found that my yeast used to take a good couple days to hit a high level of activity/krausen and now I'm rocking and rolling 12 hours later or less.
I'm no chemist/yeast guru so I'll be over my head if the conversation goes town a technical rabbit hole, sorry...

But does 12 hours vs. 2 days make a difference to the beer quality?  Not in my experience.
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