[MrNate]

Hot damn, that's great news!

[tschmidlin]

I'm not trying to start an argument, especially in this thread.  But crediting prayer is an affront to the women and men who have worked so hard all of this time to help Jeff get better.  The credit goes to them, all of the doctors and scientists before them who figured out how to treat his condition, his wife for getting him to the hospital quickly, and perhaps most importantly, Jeff for being strong and fighting.

[kgs]

I'm not trying to start an argument, especially in this thread.  But crediting prayer is an affront to the women and men who have worked so hard all of this time to help Jeff get better.  The credit goes to them, all of the doctors and scientists before them who figured out how to treat his condition, his wife for getting him to the hospital quickly, and perhaps most importantly, Jeff for being strong and fighting.

You are right to acknowledge the people who are helping Jeff. But we can agree to believe in what we believe in... there's enough credit to go around. If people think prayer changes things, then they are right. It changes *them* in important ways, and that's miracle enough.

[euge]

I'm not trying to start an argument, especially in this thread.  But crediting prayer is an affront to the women and men who have worked so hard all of this time to help Jeff get better.  The credit goes to them, all of the doctors and scientists before them who figured out how to treat his condition, his wife for getting him to the hospital quickly, and perhaps most importantly, Jeff for being strong and fighting.

You are right to acknowledge the people who are helping Jeff. But we can agree to believe in what we believe in... there's enough credit to go around. If people think prayer changes things, then they are right. It changes *them* in important ways, and that's miracle enough.

That's very tactful and sensitive. In retrospect my last post was probably too much for some. For that I will apologize.

Tom I'll pm ya.

[bluesman]

Thoughts and prayers go out to Jeff, his family and freinds and all who have stood by him in his time of need.

I raise a pint to his full recovery.

...and as always, Thanks Frank.  

[boulderbrewer]

Pray for the doctors and scienctist all you want, Jeff and his family needs our thoughts and good intentions and motivating thought. It is the positive thoughts that reallty help. Jeff get well.

[rabid_dingo]

I don't care what caused the recovery as long as it happens. Fight the good fight Jeff.

[Mikey]

Prayers can't hurt tschmidlin, and as you said, this isn't the place to argue their merits.

[majorvices]

Have to agree. Lets not let this thread devolve into that kind of argument. Please.

[maxieboy]

You are right to acknowledge the people who are helping Jeff. But we can agree to believe in what we believe in... there's enough credit to go around. If people think prayer changes things, then they are right. It changes *them* in important ways, and that's miracle enough.

Very well said.
Speaking of miracles, we are overlooking one. How does a big ol' homebrewin' dude like Babalu go this long without a beer?! I know I'm farting dust after two days without one! Continued thoughts and prayers to Jeff and everyone involved in his recovery.
Someone(Frank?) make sure that there is a fine homebrew available for Jeff when he is ready!

[rabid_dingo]

You are right to acknowledge the people who are helping Jeff. But we can agree to believe in what we believe in... there's enough credit to go around. If people think prayer changes things, then they are right. It changes *them* in important ways, and that's miracle enough.

Very well said.
Speaking of miracles, we are overlooking one. How does a big ol' homebrewin' dude like Babalu go this long without a beer?! I know I'm farting dust after two days without one! Continued thoughts and prayers to Jeff and everyone involved in his recovery.
Someone(Frank?) make sure that there is a fine homebrew available for Jeff when he is ready!

The question I have is which beer? It begs a new thread...It has me thinking, that is for sure. Is there a mini-fridge in room, if not go find the big one in the hallway with the mini sodas and take them out...

[akr71]

Maybe we should start a pool on what style of beer will be Babalu's first!

[euge]

Maybe we should start a pool on what style of beer will be Babalu's first!

We could then arrive at a recipe by consensus- and have it brewed and sent to him for when he's ready! He probably has a favorite style.

Flip side to that it might be Jeff won't be doing any drinking for quite a while. Depends on the extent of his recovery and what medications he'll be taking.

[tschmidlin]

Prayers can't hurt tschmidlin, and as you said, this isn't the place to argue their merits.

Have to agree. Lets not let this thread devolve into that kind of argument. Please.

I haven't made any statements about the efficacy of prayer.  I am simply saying that crediting prayer alone is insulting to all of the people who demonstrably saved his life and are by his side day in and day out keeping him going.  I guess that is an unpopular point of view. 

[tschmidlin]

Maybe we should start a pool on what style of beer will be Babalu's first!

We could then arrive at a recipe by consensus- and have it brewed and sent to him for when he's ready! He probably has a favorite style.

Flip side to that it might be Jeff won't be doing any drinking for quite a while. Depends on the extent of his recovery and what medications he'll be taking.

I like this idea euge, maybe we should go with Drew's 30-year beer.  Then it will keep as long as it needs to, and he can have some every year to celebrate.