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Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« on: February 13, 2020, 12:36:48 PM »
Looking to make a nice German Pils...Bitburger, Hofbrau Original, Spaten, etc.
But my first choice (Hallertau) is not available in whole cones.

I do have Saaz. Is there a good substitute for the Noble variety, that is available in whole cone form?

Checked a few suppliers online. It's easy to get pellets in nearly any variety. And there are many varieties of whole cone hops available also, including Saaz, Kent Goldings.

But not the traditional German hop. Or maybe just use Saaz in the German Pils?

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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 12:48:43 PM »
This may help you decide: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/hop-substitutions/


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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 12:56:23 PM »
Northern Brewer and Willamette hops are solid choices for this style.

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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 01:01:07 PM »
Thank You!

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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 02:34:35 PM »
I will just add my own gripe that whole cone hops are harder to find these days.
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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 03:00:36 PM »
I will just add my own gripe that whole cone hops are harder to find these days.

Agree. While there are whole hops available, it is hard to find genuine Noble hops, other than Saaz in whole cone version.
As stated in another thread, we used hop plugs exclusively for years, with great results.

Checked some of the online hop hops, plus those on Ebay. Either whole cones not available, or out of stock for months.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 03:02:53 PM by Myron Oleson »

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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 03:02:37 PM »
I know I always will want some Saaz and Hallertau at some point during the year, so I always jump on Hop Heaven's pre-season order.  Ted's products are always amazingly fresh and he has an impressive selection of whole cone imports.
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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 03:17:16 PM »
I have often used Mt. Hood as a Hallertau sub.  Works great.
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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 04:21:29 PM »
I gave up looking for whole cone German noble hops and go with pellets in my German lagers (Magnum bittering and Hallertauer types for late addition hops).  I use SS mesh canisters for the boil.  I would prefer whole cone, though, if it were readily available...
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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2020, 04:28:57 PM »
Would Mandarina Bavaria hops work for a nice, smooth German Pils? I found them in whole cone.

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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2020, 04:48:07 PM »
I decided maybe 10 years aho that I could get far better quality hops as pellets than as whole hops.  It about killed me since I was a whole hop snob from the PNW.  But I couldn't deny reality.
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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2020, 07:24:24 PM »
Would Mandarina Bavaria hops work for a nice, smooth German Pils? I found them in whole cone.

If you want an orange taste.

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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2020, 07:26:12 PM »
I have often used Mt. Hood as a Hallertau sub.  Works great.

I have heard that a blend of Mt. Hood and Liberty can be real close. I forget the ratio, and have not tried doing that.
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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2020, 11:47:53 PM »
I decided maybe 10 years aho that I could get far better quality hops as pellets than as whole hops.  It about killed me since I was a whole hop snob from the PNW.  But I couldn't deny reality.
Homegrown Mt Hood and Liberty- I know they are fresh and they are packed well by me.  Whole cone hop snob from Vermont!

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Re: Whole Cone Hops - Substitutions?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2020, 03:55:31 AM »
I just gave pellets a go for a few batches again.  Nope.  Not gonna do it.  Done.  I now have a good, fresh supply of whole cone Mt Hood from Puterbaugh Farms (Hops Direct) in the freezer, could be all I need this year. (I'm a lager brewer.)  I also can't speak highly enough about the whole cone PNW Saaz I've had from Ted Hausotter (Hop Heaven.)  Either of these is appropriate to European style lagers.  The Mt Hood may resemble Hersbrucker a bit more than Mittelfrüh, and the US Saaz more Tettnang than Czech Saaz, but it doesn't bother me.  I just want the best quality ingredients possible.  Specific variety and point of origin is secondary, so long as I'm in the right neighborhood.
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