Membership questions? Log in issues? Email info@brewersassociation.org

Author Topic: 4 most off flavors  (Read 1210 times)

Offline russell

  • Assistant Brewer
  • ***
  • Posts: 111
4 most off flavors
« on: March 11, 2020, 12:39:32 pm »
   All you Judges out there, am thinking of presenting this to my Brew club so we can identify them. What are the 4 off flavors mostly found in the beers you judge?
  I plan to set up so we can taste them and  learn the 4 most prominent ones and learn from that. If  we do all of them it seems it will be harder to remember what they are, so I figure doing one at a time over and over again should improve our taste buds.

Offline kramerog

  • Brewmaster General
  • *******
  • Posts: 2262
    • My LinkedIn page
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2020, 03:09:11 pm »
Diacety lis #1 by far for me.  Fusels and phenolics would be in my top 4.  Not sure after that.

Offline ynotbrusum

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 4891
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2020, 05:38:17 am »
Diacetyl, oxidation, phenols, solventy (or hot alcohol) for most common off flavors I encounter.

Astringency first and foremost, in terms of flaws, though it is not a flavor.  Cloying sweetness would be up there, too.
Hodge Garage Brewing: "Brew with a glad heart!"

Offline dmtaylor

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 4732
  • Lord Idiot the Lazy
    • YEAST MASTER Perma-Living
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2020, 06:32:25 am »
.
.
MY RESPONSES, in no particular order:

Diacetyl, DMS, chlorophenol, oxidation.


Diacetyl, oxidation, phenols, solventy (or hot alcohol) for most common off flavors I encounter.

Astringency first and foremost, in terms of flaws, though it is not a flavor.  Cloying sweetness would be up there, too.

I totally agree with this too.  Hot alcohol, solvent, and OMG cloying sweetness yeah that happens a lot too.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2020, 06:34:15 am by dmtaylor »
Dave

The world will become a much more pleasant place to live when each and every one of us realizes that we are all idiots.

Offline goose

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1290
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2020, 09:34:42 am »
.
.
MY RESPONSES, in no particular order:

Diacetyl, DMS, chlorophenol, oxidation.


Diacetyl, oxidation, phenols, solventy (or hot alcohol) for most common off flavors I encounter.

Astringency first and foremost, in terms of flaws, though it is not a flavor.  Cloying sweetness would be up there, too.

I totally agree with this too.  Hot alcohol, solvent, and OMG cloying sweetness yeah that happens a lot too.

Agree with Dave on this one.  Diacetyl (although I am a bit nose blind and taste blind to it, but have found a way to detect it better), DMS, phenols, get that one right away, and solventy.  I also have a very sensitive palate to sulfur which I find in lagers that have not fermented out completely.
Goose Steingass
Wooster, OH
Society of Akron Area Zymurgists (SAAZ)
Wayne County Brew Club
Mansfield Brew Club
BJCP Certified

TXFlyGuy

  • Guest
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2020, 03:32:02 am »
Since these bad flavors are identified, what is the root cause and how do we avoid this in our beer?

Fire Rooster

  • Guest
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2020, 04:19:08 am »
Since these bad flavors are identified, what is the root cause and how do we avoid this in our beer?

https://beerandbrewing.com/off-flavor-of-the-week-diacetyl/

Offline russell

  • Assistant Brewer
  • ***
  • Posts: 111
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2020, 11:46:11 am »
  Thank you everyone for the feedback. This was a great help.

Offline skyler

  • Brewmaster
  • *****
  • Posts: 956
  • Hmm. Human music. I like it.
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2020, 05:10:23 pm »
The warmer the climate you live in, the more you taste excessive fruity esters and phenols. That peach thing from US-05 is pretty common, as is the rotten fruit salad thing that about every English yeast gives you when fermented at around 78F -- usually paired with a fine bouquet of fusels and sometimes "extract tang" from old LME.

Offline Bilsch

  • Assistant Brewer
  • ***
  • Posts: 249
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2020, 10:13:03 pm »
Off flavors.. you mean like chocolate, peanut butter, coffee, doughnuts etc?  ;D

TXFlyGuy

  • Guest
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2020, 05:33:18 am »
Off flavors.. you mean like chocolate, peanut butter, coffee, doughnuts etc?  ;D

Now wait a minute...you have gone too far!
In my house, those are staples.

Offline goose

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1290
Re: 4 most off flavors
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2020, 10:00:51 am »
Off flavors.. you mean like chocolate, peanut butter, coffee, doughnuts etc?  ;D

Now wait a minute...you have gone too far!
In my house, those are staples.

 :D
Goose Steingass
Wooster, OH
Society of Akron Area Zymurgists (SAAZ)
Wayne County Brew Club
Mansfield Brew Club
BJCP Certified