[KellerBrauer]

The Navajo Reservation has been hit hard. If you have been through there, you know it is very sparsly populated. You would also notice how poor the people are. Many have no power or running water, so hand washing for 20 seconds takes a back sest to saving drinking water. The houses are small, often with 3 generations living in there.

Population density helps the spread. Other factors can help the spread. Some small towns have become centers, due to crowded meat processjng plants.

In ten years there might be a good book on the pandemic that analyses what happened.

That’s a very sad situation and I’m guessing the reservation is a long way from any medical assistance.

I agree, we won’t know the true story for many years and I bet there will be a lot of pissed off folks when the truth is known.

[Wilbur]

Interesting read: https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/?fbclid=IwAR2b0s9X20MJNL7W1Hb2KkeDoyDyvE6qR8dT-091qhqRhiLjofYxy1lS5xU


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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm

Interesting read but the flu death estimates also include other respiratory and circulatory deaths. Flu deaths the last few seasons have been ruffly between 20-50K in the US, and we're about 89K since February.


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[narvin]

Interesting read: https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/?fbclid=IwAR2b0s9X20MJNL7W1Hb2KkeDoyDyvE6qR8dT-091qhqRhiLjofYxy1lS5xU


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Why do the people with the truth always have the worst websites?

[hopfenundmalz]

The Navajo Reservation has been hit hard. If you have been through there, you know it is very sparsly populated. You would also notice how poor the people are. Many have no power or running water, so hand washing for 20 seconds takes a back sest to saving drinking water. The houses are small, often with 3 generations living in there.

Population density helps the spread. Other factors can help the spread. Some small towns have become centers, due to crowded meat processjng plants.

In ten years there might be a good book on the pandemic that analyses what happened.

That’s a very sad situation and I’m guessing the reservation is a long way from any medical assistance.

I agree, we won’t know the true story for many years and I bet there will be a lot of pissed off folks when the truth is known.

Saw one news clip that said they have 4 clinics. If a patient needs care they can't provide, they get airlifted to ABQ or Phoenix.

[BrewBama]

Interesting read: https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/?fbclid=IwAR2b0s9X20MJNL7W1Hb2KkeDoyDyvE6qR8dT-091qhqRhiLjofYxy1lS5xU


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Why do the people with the truth always have the worst websites?

I dunno.

I don’t even know if that’s even the truth. It’s definitely a different point of view that I found interesting. Definitely not what we hear in the mainstream media.

It’s just so hard to tell...


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[Visor]

    As a follow-on to Jeff's post's about the Navajo reservation, without a doubt one of the primary reasons my county is such an outlier in the state is the fact that ~ 1/3 of the land area is reservation and maybe 1/4 of the population are enrolled tribal members. Although in general the living conditions on this rez aren't nearly as bad as they are on much of the Navaho reservation, at least with regards to age of housing and availability of 20th century utilities, there are many similarities which seem to be fairly ubiquitous on reservations across most of the non-coastal west. Those include large multigenerational families living together in cramped housing intended for far fewer inhabitants; very sedentary lifestyles after reaching adulthood; a diet based on fats, protein and carbs that was appropriate for hunter/gatherers who burn a lot of calories acquiring food, but which now, combined with the lack of activity exponentially increases the prevalence of obesity and diabetes, and extremely high rates of alcoholism and homelessness. If ever there was a Devil's own recipe book for pandemic playgrounds, the western reservations deserve a chapter.
       

[pete b]

Interesting read: https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/?fbclid=IwAR2b0s9X20MJNL7W1Hb2KkeDoyDyvE6qR8dT-091qhqRhiLjofYxy1lS5xU


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Why do the people with the truth always have the worst websites?

I dunno.

I don’t even know if that’s even the truth. It’s definitely a different point of view that I found interesting. Definitely not what we hear in the mainstream media.

It’s just so hard to tell...


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Just to save other people the trouble this turns out to be pseudoscience crapola.
Just one example: it tries to argue that Covid 19 isn’t more contagious than the flu just using numbers that don’t account for the fact that social distancing has happened.

[Big Monk]

If you have no reason to be a out and about, you should continue to stay home and distance when you are out, period.

There will be a second wave of this, without a doubt. I am fortunate enough to have the capability to work remotely, a new, humongous home to work on, etc.

My MO won’t change even if NY state opens back up. The jury is not out on this situation yet and I’m going to err of the side of caution.

Definitely get out and get some sun though, as vitamin D is super important WRT COVID19. Just do it on your own property.

[a10t2]

I was thinking about you and how much it must suck to have this happen after working for so long to finally open. I hope you got some stimulus relief.

Unfortunately, we weren't open on February 15. *Fortunately*, we own the building, so no rent/mortgage and SBA is deferring loan payments for six months. It ain't pretty but there are people a lot worse off.

[Wilbur]

I was thinking about you and how much it must suck to have this happen after working for so long to finally open. I hope you got some stimulus relief.

Unfortunately, we weren't open on February 15. *Fortunately*, we own the building, so no rent/mortgage and SBA is deferring loan payments for six months. It ain't pretty but there are people a lot worse off.

Glad to hear that, it seems like a lot of the federal response could've been better. I think a lot of people feel like they have to make the choice between a likely financial catastrophe and a potential health one. I'm lucky I have the choice and the privilege to stay at home.

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[KellerBrauer]

Interesting read: https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/?fbclid=IwAR2b0s9X20MJNL7W1Hb2KkeDoyDyvE6qR8dT-091qhqRhiLjofYxy1lS5xU


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IMHO - That website can it be trusted. Who sponsored the person or organization who put this together?  Who gathered the information?  I didn’t see a By Line. I will take the information from that website with a grain of sand and a cold beer.

[majorvices]

I am working for a new brewery as Head Brewer in Mobile, AL. We have been shut down for about 8 weeks. We reopen with all new beers this coming Thursday (May 21nd)

[BrewBama]

I am working for a new brewery as Head Brewer in Mobile, AL. We have been shut down for about 8 weeks. We reopen with all new beers this coming Thursday (May 21nd)

Another change in location?!?!  Cheers!


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[Big Monk]

The death toll in this case is very misleading because we are now seeing, through widespread antibody testing, that orders of magnitude more people have gotten it while showing no symptoms/low symptoms, etc. This translates to a fatality rate on par with/less than the seasonal flu.

That's not to discount those that have contracted it and passed away because of it. That's of course extremely sad. The big takeaway with this is that we don't yet know the lingering effects of the illness. Long term respiratory effects, kidney effects, etc. are what is going to keep me and my family home for a while longer.

People have tried comparing it to the flu based on death toll, spread, etc. and to me that misses the mark.

[erockrph]

I think there's been to much focus on the death toll.

The daily cumulative totals will never go down. 

Year to date numbers, in comparison to other numbers can be useful. 

Percentages, associated with other attributes (age, co-mobilities, location) suggest ways to adjust and enjoy life going forward.

I think we need some SABRmetric baseball guys who are out of work right now to develop some more useful stats. I think a "Deaths above baseline" number (with rolling 7, 14 and 30 day averages) would be a better metric for analysis. The daily death count provokes a visceral response in some, but since it's not compared to any kind of baseline, it makes it easy to brush off by the COVID deniers.

The other important stats would be related to "healthcare saturation" - this is the whole premise/need for "flattening the curve". Basically, we have a limited amount of healthcare resources. Once we surpass that, then quality of healthcare takes a nosedive and people (including healthcare workers) start getting sicker and dying at an accelerating rate. This would be stats like % ICU beds filled, % vents in use, and healthcare worker overtime above baseline. Ideally, this would be available at the state, county, city and individual hospital level. This would not only provide a good report card, but granular detail would also assist in determining where resources are stretched thin and where there is availablity to take overflow.

I've been lucky in that I work in a specialty hospital that doesn't have an adult ICU and doesn't get too many COVID patients. But it is scary to see how fast and hard this can hit a young. otherwise healthy person. Despite our proximity to Boston and New York, Rhode Island has done pretty well with controlling COVID within our state. I am a bit concerned that this may present a double-edged sword - we may end up with a lower local herd immunity percentage, making us more vulnerable to subsequent waves of spread. This is something that I am concerned that the models may miss - herd immunity is not a continuous value. More densely populated areas will likely hit their critical value first. I suspect that the next wave will likely be concentrated around medium-sized cities like Providence, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, etc., and I hope these locations have had ample opportunity to prepare.