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Re: Re-opening
« Reply #75 on: May 23, 2020, 11:58:33 PM »
   Ya, I caught that about cell phone data but didn't consider it a red flag, I chalked it up to the fact that as insightful as he can be at times, he's probably the product of an urban life with no first hand experience living in "fly over country", so it may not have occurred to him that those of us who live in BFE have to cover a lot more ground every day. When I moved here 40 years ago the closest Micky D's was 130 miles away and people would actually drive it for a Big Mac attack, that casual attitude about distance is so culturally ingrained in this part of the country that even a pandemic isn't going to overcome it.
   Regarding unions, I spent 3 decades "working with my hands" and only rarely encountered union members, unless I was working out of state.  There in Chicago and the coastal metropolises union membership is much more prevalent and the unions subsequently more powerful than here in most of the non-coastal mountain west, and unions are always going to support the party on the left, even if their membership doesn't. With the rise to power of the Trump-inator it has been interesting watching the unions officially trying to continue to support the party that is beholden to them while so much of their membership militantly sports their MAGA hats and bumper stickers. Good sport in that if you have a warped sense of humor.
   Outside of eastern coal mining country I just don't know if there are many union employees in rural America, even in the areas where the vast majority of jobs are in industries that would traditionally be highly unionized. Here in Wyoming AFIK only a couple of the smaller coal mines and only one of the trona mines are union, very little of the construction is and absolutely none of the patch is. Needless to say, the overclass of ruling elites that Fareed talked about aren't held in very high regard 'round here.
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Re: Re-opening
« Reply #76 on: May 24, 2020, 12:52:54 AM »
   Ya, I caught that about cell phone data but didn't consider it a red flag, I chalked it up to the fact that as insightful as he can be at times, he's probably the product of an urban life with no first hand experience living in "fly over country", so it may not have occurred to him that those of us who live in BFE have to cover a lot more ground every day. When I moved here 40 years ago the closest Micky D's was 130 miles away and people would actually drive it for a Big Mac attack, that casual attitude about distance is so culturally ingrained in this part of the country that even a pandemic isn't going to overcome it.
   Regarding unions, I spent 3 decades "working with my hands" and only rarely encountered union members, unless I was working out of state.  There in Chicago and the coastal metropolises union membership is much more prevalent and the unions subsequently more powerful than here in most of the non-coastal mountain west, and unions are always going to support the party on the left, even if their membership doesn't. With the rise to power of the Trump-inator it has been interesting watching the unions officially trying to continue to support the party that is beholden to them while so much of their membership militantly sports their MAGA hats and bumper stickers. Good sport in that if you have a sick enough if you have a warped sense of humor.
   Outside of eastern coal mining country I just don't know if there are many union employees in rural America, even in the areas where the vast majority of jobs are in industries that would traditionally be highly unionized. Here in Wyoming AFIK only a couple of the smaller coal mines and only one of the trona mines are union, very little of the construction is and absolutely none of the patch is. Needless to say, the overclass of ruling elites that Fareed talked about aren't held in very high regard 'round here.
An interesting take on things.  I have lived my whole life in the Chicago burbs so getting some insight from Wyoming is helpful and refreshing.  We're not just "one people" in this country.  I understand why people go into careers focusing on these various pieces of the country, how they impact everything else, the politics, the various views of the country, what is acceptable and what is not, etc.  I feel like I would like to travel the country in a Winnebago and make some videos highlighting how we're all here in the same place for better or worse and we're all different for better or worse.  I would rather sit and have a beer and a laugh with someone (even if we had opposing views on things) as opposed to arguing with them.  I guarantee that. 
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Re: Re-opening
« Reply #77 on: May 24, 2020, 12:55:01 PM »
   Ya, I caught that about cell phone data but didn't consider it a red flag, I chalked it up to the fact that as insightful as he can be at times, he's probably the product of an urban life with no first hand experience living in "fly over country", so it may not have occurred to him that those of us who live in BFE have to cover a lot more ground every day. When I moved here 40 years ago the closest Micky D's was 130 miles away and people would actually drive it for a Big Mac attack, that casual attitude about distance is so culturally ingrained in this part of the country that even a pandemic isn't going to overcome it.
   Regarding unions, I spent 3 decades "working with my hands" and only rarely encountered union members, unless I was working out of state.  There in Chicago and the coastal metropolises union membership is much more prevalent and the unions subsequently more powerful than here in most of the non-coastal mountain west, and unions are always going to support the party on the left, even if their membership doesn't. With the rise to power of the Trump-inator it has been interesting watching the unions officially trying to continue to support the party that is beholden to them while so much of their membership militantly sports their MAGA hats and bumper stickers. Good sport in that if you have a sick enough if you have a warped sense of humor.
   Outside of eastern coal mining country I just don't know if there are many union employees in rural America, even in the areas where the vast majority of jobs are in industries that would traditionally be highly unionized. Here in Wyoming AFIK only a couple of the smaller coal mines and only one of the trona mines are union, very little of the construction is and absolutely none of the patch is. Needless to say, the overclass of ruling elites that Fareed talked about aren't held in very high regard 'round here.
An interesting take on things.  I have lived my whole life in the Chicago burbs so getting some insight from Wyoming is helpful and refreshing.  We're not just "one people" in this country.  I understand why people go into careers focusing on these various pieces of the country, how they impact everything else, the politics, the various views of the country, what is acceptable and what is not, etc.  I feel like I would like to travel the country in a Winnebago and make some videos highlighting how we're all here in the same place for better or worse and we're all different for better or worse.  I would rather sit and have a beer and a laugh with someone (even if we had opposing views on things) as opposed to arguing with them.  I guarantee that.

Regarding union workers and their support for Trump, I personally know several Trump supporters who, like me, are members of a very powerful building trades union in Chicago.  These are fine workers with a very high skill level,  but they have succumb to the fear mongering in the media.  I won’t go into detail, but it’s real.  Scare tactics are being used by the media to manipulate a persons viewpoints.  Regarding our leadership, my experience is that our leadership supports political candidates who are “friends of labor” - period, full stop.  If a candidate is anti-collective bargaining, Republican or Democrat, then our leadership informs the membership.  The membership is still free to vote for whomever they choose.
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« Reply #78 on: May 24, 2020, 03:12:03 PM »
   Ya, I caught that about cell phone data but didn't consider it a red flag, I chalked it up to the fact that as insightful as he can be at times, he's probably the product of an urban life with no first hand experience living in "fly over country", so it may not have occurred to him that those of us who live in BFE have to cover a lot more ground every day. When I moved here 40 years ago the closest Micky D's was 130 miles away and people would actually drive it for a Big Mac attack, that casual attitude about distance is so culturally ingrained in this part of the country that even a pandemic isn't going to overcome it.
   Regarding unions, I spent 3 decades "working with my hands" and only rarely encountered union members, unless I was working out of state.  There in Chicago and the coastal metropolises union membership is much more prevalent and the unions subsequently more powerful than here in most of the non-coastal mountain west, and unions are always going to support the party on the left, even if their membership doesn't. With the rise to power of the Trump-inator it has been interesting watching the unions officially trying to continue to support the party that is beholden to them while so much of their membership militantly sports their MAGA hats and bumper stickers. Good sport in that if you have a sick enough if you have a warped sense of humor.
   Outside of eastern coal mining country I just don't know if there are many union employees in rural America, even in the areas where the vast majority of jobs are in industries that would traditionally be highly unionized. Here in Wyoming AFIK only a couple of the smaller coal mines and only one of the trona mines are union, very little of the construction is and absolutely none of the patch is. Needless to say, the overclass of ruling elites that Fareed talked about aren't held in very high regard 'round here.
An interesting take on things.  I have lived my whole life in the Chicago burbs so getting some insight from Wyoming is helpful and refreshing.  We're not just "one people" in this country.  I understand why people go into careers focusing on these various pieces of the country, how they impact everything else, the politics, the various views of the country, what is acceptable and what is not, etc.  I feel like I would like to travel the country in a Winnebago and make some videos highlighting how we're all here in the same place for better or worse and we're all different for better or worse.  I would rather sit and have a beer and a laugh with someone (even if we had opposing views on things) as opposed to arguing with them.  I guarantee that.

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Re: Re-opening
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2020, 03:56:26 PM »
   Ya, I caught that about cell phone data but didn't consider it a red flag, I chalked it up to the fact that as insightful as he can be at times, he's probably the product of an urban life with no first hand experience living in "fly over country", so it may not have occurred to him that those of us who live in BFE have to cover a lot more ground every day. When I moved here 40 years ago the closest Micky D's was 130 miles away and people would actually drive it for a Big Mac attack, that casual attitude about distance is so culturally ingrained in this part of the country that even a pandemic isn't going to overcome it.
   Regarding unions, I spent 3 decades "working with my hands" and only rarely encountered union members, unless I was working out of state.  There in Chicago and the coastal metropolises union membership is much more prevalent and the unions subsequently more powerful than here in most of the non-coastal mountain west, and unions are always going to support the party on the left, even if their membership doesn't. With the rise to power of the Trump-inator it has been interesting watching the unions officially trying to continue to support the party that is beholden to them while so much of their membership militantly sports their MAGA hats and bumper stickers. Good sport in that if you have a sick enough if you have a warped sense of humor.
   Outside of eastern coal mining country I just don't know if there are many union employees in rural America, even in the areas where the vast majority of jobs are in industries that would traditionally be highly unionized. Here in Wyoming AFIK only a couple of the smaller coal mines and only one of the trona mines are union, very little of the construction is and absolutely none of the patch is. Needless to say, the overclass of ruling elites that Fareed talked about aren't held in very high regard 'round here.
An interesting take on things.  I have lived my whole life in the Chicago burbs so getting some insight from Wyoming is helpful and refreshing.  We're not just "one people" in this country.  I understand why people go into careers focusing on these various pieces of the country, how they impact everything else, the politics, the various views of the country, what is acceptable and what is not, etc.  I feel like I would like to travel the country in a Winnebago and make some videos highlighting how we're all here in the same place for better or worse and we're all different for better or worse.  I would rather sit and have a beer and a laugh with someone (even if we had opposing views on things) as opposed to arguing with them.  I guarantee that.

    If you ever get yourself a Winne and are in the neighborhood, stop in for a beer or 12, I always have plenty - face coverings are optional and sometimes after dark we pee on the lawn cuz we're hicks and cuz we can ;D.

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Re: Re-opening
« Reply #80 on: May 24, 2020, 04:41:08 PM »
   Ya, I caught that about cell phone data but didn't consider it a red flag, I chalked it up to the fact that as insightful as he can be at times, he's probably the product of an urban life with no first hand experience living in "fly over country", so it may not have occurred to him that those of us who live in BFE have to cover a lot more ground every day. When I moved here 40 years ago the closest Micky D's was 130 miles away and people would actually drive it for a Big Mac attack, that casual attitude about distance is so culturally ingrained in this part of the country that even a pandemic isn't going to overcome it.
   Regarding unions, I spent 3 decades "working with my hands" and only rarely encountered union members, unless I was working out of state.  There in Chicago and the coastal metropolises union membership is much more prevalent and the unions subsequently more powerful than here in most of the non-coastal mountain west, and unions are always going to support the party on the left, even if their membership doesn't. With the rise to power of the Trump-inator it has been interesting watching the unions officially trying to continue to support the party that is beholden to them while so much of their membership militantly sports their MAGA hats and bumper stickers. Good sport in that if you have a sick enough if you have a warped sense of humor.
   Outside of eastern coal mining country I just don't know if there are many union employees in rural America, even in the areas where the vast majority of jobs are in industries that would traditionally be highly unionized. Here in Wyoming AFIK only a couple of the smaller coal mines and only one of the trona mines are union, very little of the construction is and absolutely none of the patch is. Needless to say, the overclass of ruling elites that Fareed talked about aren't held in very high regard 'round here.
An interesting take on things.  I have lived my whole life in the Chicago burbs so getting some insight from Wyoming is helpful and refreshing.  We're not just "one people" in this country.  I understand why people go into careers focusing on these various pieces of the country, how they impact everything else, the politics, the various views of the country, what is acceptable and what is not, etc.  I feel like I would like to travel the country in a Winnebago and make some videos highlighting how we're all here in the same place for better or worse and we're all different for better or worse.  I would rather sit and have a beer and a laugh with someone (even if we had opposing views on things) as opposed to arguing with them.  I guarantee that.

    If you ever get yourself a Winne and are in the neighborhood, stop in for a beer or 12, I always have plenty - face coverings are optional and sometimes after dark we pee on the lawn cuz we're hicks and cuz we can ;D.

You wait til after dark?

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Re: Re-opening
« Reply #81 on: May 24, 2020, 08:22:42 PM »
Three takes from this thread:
1)  I agree, this thread is pleasantly civil, very impressed with the group discussion and exchange of ideas, much more civil than a work forum I often lurk on.
2)  I am in a union of 10,000 employees who are predominately Republican, yet very pro union which I find contradictory.  I chalk it up to people being against something unless it benefits them directly.
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Re: Re-opening
« Reply #82 on: May 24, 2020, 09:34:17 PM »
    It's really fun from a balcony ;).
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« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2020, 10:48:05 PM »
1) +1

2) N/A

3) +1 (...in addition to getting to play, uh I mean work, on a tractor.)


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« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2020, 11:18:06 PM »
1) +1

2) I'm a brewer.

3) See (2). Trench drains for the win. :o
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« Reply #85 on: May 25, 2020, 01:44:09 PM »
    It's really fun from a balcony ;).
LOL.

That's like peeing in a pool... from the high dive.  :D
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« Reply #86 on: May 25, 2020, 02:16:20 PM »
I grew up in a home with a single bathroom with my father, mother, grandmother, and sister. My father had a favorite place outside to piss on the side of the pack house. When ya gotta go, ya gotta go!
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« Reply #87 on: May 25, 2020, 03:42:22 PM »
I grew up in a home with a single bathroom with my father, mother, grandmother, and sister. My father had a favorite place outside to piss on the side of the pack house. When ya gotta go, ya gotta go!
My sister and BIL live on 5 acres south of Atlanta.  Each night my BIL takes the dog out to pee before bedtime and he's been known to water the weeds as well.  It happens.  :P
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« Reply #88 on: May 25, 2020, 08:07:22 PM »
1) +1

2) I'm a Union steward for a group of engineers and IT guys.  Yes, those are facts.  I can count on one hand how many leftists there are in the membership.  Most are Trump apologetics or sympathizers.  I myself am a tree-hugging yet overall more right-leaning centrist.  Not that it matters.  Politics is for whiners and liars.  But I digress.

3) +1  Not sure I wanna poop out there though.
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« Reply #89 on: May 25, 2020, 08:46:36 PM »
Re: 2)  I was a union member for over 30 years.  Stagehands union.  Yiu would be gphard pressed to find a member,  at least in my local, that  wasn't liberal.  So I think it depends on what union you're talking about.
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