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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2020, 06:09:16 pm »
They wax the lemons you get at the grocery store so I don't know if you would get much from the rind without zesting them.

Good point. It's pretty easy to take the wax off though. Hot water rinse and a wipe with a clean paper towel.

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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2020, 05:28:36 pm »
So ...on a hunch, I took it upon myself....and mashed in with 1/2 pound of quartered lemons for my 2.5 gallon batch.  (Sounds like a lot, but it was 2 lemons). This was a Saison.  Don’t ask what my mash pH was, I didn’t bother.  I didn’t want to know and I wasn’t going to make adjustments anyhow.  I was on a mission.  (I stuck a pH strip in there and it looked like they always do.)

The lemons in the Mash smelled absolutely wonderful!!  For the first 45 minutes or so.  Now I had it in my mind to mash this Saison for 90 minutes at 150 in order to create as fermentable a wort as possible.  By the end of the mash, the lemon aroma had dissipated substantially. Pre boil gravity was on target so I discarded the spent grains and lemons and away I went to the boil.  90 minute boil.  Uneventful.  O.G. came in 1 point low, but I had a smidge extra volume so I call it a wash.  Transferred and pitched.

The post boil sample I took had a noticeable but subtle citrus/lemon aroma.  No “wow” factor, but a little something for the effort. I thought it also had a bit fuller mouthfeel, but I have no idea what that’s about.  Whether any lemon makes it past the Belle Saison...Yeah, at this point, I highly doubt it.  But...I think lemon-mashing could lead to something if the mash and boil were kept to reasonable times.  Maybe 45-60 minutes max each.  And probably not with an expressive yeast.

I’ll post back in a few weeks and let you know how it turned out.  Visual signs of fermentation took off in about 3 hours.

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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2020, 08:15:00 am »
But you don't know if they did anything for pH?
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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2020, 11:10:15 am »
But you don't know if they did anything for pH?
Well I'm sure the lemons did something for pH, but like I said, I did not test the pH.  (Unless you call a pH strip "testing."  I don't.) I retired my pH meter and didn't feel like buying new storage and buffering solutions to use for 1 batch.
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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2020, 11:19:11 am »
But you don't know if they did anything for pH?
Well I'm sure the lemons did something for pH, but like I said, I did not test the pH.  (Unless you call a pH strip "testing."  I don't.) I retired my pH meter and didn't feel like buying new storage and buffering solutions to use for 1 batch.
Tsk, tsk.  I know.

With all due respect, unless you tested you don't knpw.  So the initial question remains unanswered.
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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2020, 11:41:54 am »
But you don't know if they did anything for pH?
Well I'm sure the lemons did something for pH, but like I said, I did not test the pH.  (Unless you call a pH strip "testing."  I don't.) I retired my pH meter and didn't feel like buying new storage and buffering solutions to use for 1 batch.
Tsk, tsk.  I know.

With all due respect, unless you tested you don't knpw.  So the initial question remains unanswered.

Sounds good.

Unanswered it shall remain.

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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2020, 01:28:20 pm »
damn it, wanted to know what happened, oh well, hope the beer turns out good
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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2020, 10:25:32 am »
So I kegged this Lemon-mashed Saison yesterday.

OG was 1.056

Fermentation was 68 for 2 days, 72 for 5 days, rise to 80 for a week.

FG was 1.004.

Sample taste from the hydrometer was all clove and lemon-citrus.  Quite promising.  Pretty happy that the lemon seems to have made it through fermentation. Final results after carbonation and conditioning in a couple of weeks.

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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2020, 01:41:59 pm »
Just to tie the bow on this in case anyone was following...

The carbonated beer has a no doubt about it Saison aroma.  The taste has the signature phenolic/spice/clove from Belle Saison and finishes all lemon/citrus.  Nice foam with staying power and lacing throughout.  Does the lemon belong in a Saison?  Maybe, maybe not, but this is a great summer beer.  Very happy with the results. 

I hate Tapatalk (sp?), but if you are interested,

https://www.brewersfriend.com/forum/threads/what-are-you-drinking-right-now.2751/page-232#post-111581

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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2020, 08:28:28 am »
Just to tie the bow on this in case anyone was following...

The carbonated beer has a no doubt about it Saison aroma.  The taste has the signature phenolic/spice/clove from Belle Saison and finishes all lemon/citrus.  Nice foam with staying power and lacing throughout.  Does the lemon belong in a Saison?  Maybe, maybe not, but this is a great summer beer.  Very happy with the results. 

Hey thanks for posting a note about your results. Yes, I am interested in knowing where things landed on this. Glad you're finding it to your liking.
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Re: Cut-Up Lemons for Mash pH adjustment?
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2020, 09:05:03 am »
That beer sounds yummy, Megary!  Enjoy it while it lasts - it wouldn't last long on my taps...
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