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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2020, 03:02:34 PM »
I figured this would happen pretty early on. There's just no way the BA/AHA doesn't live and die by those events. Organizations primarily source funding from external sources whether it is fundraising or hosting events.

As much as I am glad the BA did the right thing by canceling the events it is deeply unfortunate for everybody who lost their job. I hope they all land on their feet and nobody else suffers the same fate.

As an AHA member I would like to know why the decision was made to eliminate the director and what plans are in place to replace his job duties.

Gary's duties will be taken over by Brewers Association Vice President of Staff Development Ryan Farrell
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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2020, 05:02:55 PM »
Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.

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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2020, 03:48:56 PM »
Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.
How would you suggest the AHA represent and accept this certain portion of the brewing population?


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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2020, 08:32:16 PM »
a certain portion of the brewing population.

I believe the more accurate term is "cult".
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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2020, 11:59:51 PM »
Saw this coming when I asked early on about Homebrew Con and Nashville tornado storm damage back then.  I figured that cancelling would be problematic.  Really unfortunate.  Just shows how tenuous things are.
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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2020, 10:37:56 PM »
Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.

I would appreciate hearing what portion you’re referring to. That would be something to correct.
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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2020, 02:35:33 PM »
Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.

I would appreciate hearing what portion you’re referring to. That would be something to correct.

Reading between the lines and looking at his post history, I would guess he's referring to the low dissolved oxygen brewing community. Didn't realize they were discriminated against, but I'm not very active here and I'm sure there's at least 2 sides to this story...

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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2020, 04:26:12 PM »
a certain portion of the brewing population.

I believe the more accurate term is "cult".

Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.

I would appreciate hearing what portion you’re referring to. That would be something to correct.

Reading between the lines and looking at his post history, I would guess he's referring to the low dissolved oxygen brewing community. Didn't realize they were discriminated against, but I'm not very active here and I'm sure there's at least 2 sides to this story...

No need to read between the lines when its in plain sight.

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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2020, 12:08:44 AM »
For someone who started homebrewing in the early 2000s, I really appreciate how far it’s come.  Sure, there may be some things that I don’t always agree with.  However, overall I’ve been really happy with the money I’ve spent over the years in supporting the AHA.  I think my brewing is better for it, and more importantly, is so enjoyable these days.  It’s how I escape.  It’s sad to see that we’ve reached this point economically, and I can only hope that it can reverse in the next few years. 

Whenever layoffs have happened where I’ve worked, I’ve always had a bit of sadness about me (even those that were needed) as behind every person is a real story and family and friends.  Fortunately, I’ve never been laid off in 23 years, but when I talk to my friends who have, they often say it was so hard at first, but in the end they came out better on the other side.  I’ll raise my glass to those laid off and hope that they find that the other side has offered growth and a new appreciation for life.

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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2020, 03:15:03 PM »
For someone who started homebrewing in the early 2000s, I really appreciate how far it’s come.  Sure, there may be some things that I don’t always agree with.  However, overall I’ve been really happy with the money I’ve spent over the years in supporting the AHA.  I think my brewing is better for it, and more importantly, is so enjoyable these days.  It’s how I escape.  It’s sad to see that we’ve reached this point economically, and I can only hope that it can reverse in the next few years. 

Whenever layoffs have happened where I’ve worked, I’ve always had a bit of sadness about me (even those that were needed) as behind every person is a real story and family and friends.  Fortunately, I’ve never been laid off in 23 years, but when I talk to my friends who have, they often say it was so hard at first, but in the end they came out better on the other side.  I’ll raise my glass to those laid off and hope that they find that the other side has offered growth and a new appreciation for life.

Yes, all of this! I'll second these sentiments. We're living in hard times and they are not near being over and there is a very real and personal toll on many in terms of job loss, financial instability, stress level and mental health, and a sense of insecurity about the future. My heart goes out to those who are being so negatively affected by the COVID pandemic. I think generally organizations and employers are doing the best they can in terrible circumstances where there are no ideal outcomes available. I take it on good faith that the AHA falls in this category.
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BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2020, 03:20:28 PM »
Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.

I would appreciate hearing what portion you’re referring to. That would be something to correct.

Reading between the lines and looking at his post history, I would guess he's referring to the low dissolved oxygen brewing community. Didn't realize they were discriminated against, but I'm not very active here and I'm sure there's at least 2 sides to this story...
They’re not discriminated against here. They’ve segregated themselves because everyone doesn’t agree with them.

For example: they often complain that Brülosophy has bastardized their processes. Yet, if you peel back the onion just one layer you’ll find that Marshall has contacted them to help set up a better analysis.

In fact, Brülosophy attempted on numerous occasions to work something out with the LODO (and Low Dissolved Oxygen Brewing) folks, to no avail. The response has typically been some form of "let people try it for themselves and decide, they don't need your kind of data."  So, even if asked to participate, they decline preferring to play the outcast and sit on a superiority pedestal. 

BTW, if you ask a direct question on their site you’ll often similarly get the ‘go find it yourself’ answer. (Guess how I know). Once you get past getting cussed out, you’ll end up wading thru piles of scientific papers where you might find the answer. Then, when you think you have it figured out they’ll change the process buried in tens of pages of a discussion forum and ridicule you because you’re behind the times.

The same can be said for the AHA. Once in a while they’ll get off their high horse to visit the dredges of brewer society here. When they do visit, if you disagree with them you’ll get the ‘old what for’ and then they retreat to their own site complaining this is an echo chamber.  There they denigrate the folks here for *gasp* having a different opinion than they do.  Talk about an echo chamber. (Denny gets especially great coverage there.)

No. It’s simply ridiculous that he said they’re not supported. They choose not to be supported so they can say that.

Though I can’t speak for the AHA, based on what I’ve seen I believe they’d be totally welcome ...but they have to allow dissenting views to do it which evidently they aren’t willing to do.


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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2020, 04:13:48 PM »
I'm honored to be a frequent topic of discussion.
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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2020, 07:43:01 PM »
Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.

I would appreciate hearing what portion you’re referring to. That would be something to correct.

Reading between the lines and looking at his post history, I would guess he's referring to the low dissolved oxygen brewing community. Didn't realize they were discriminated against, but I'm not very active here and I'm sure there's at least 2 sides to this story...
They’re not discriminated against here. They’ve segregated themselves because everyone doesn’t agree with them.

For example: they often complain that Brülosophy has bastardized their processes. Yet, if you peel back the onion just one layer you’ll find that Marshall has contacted them to help set up a better analysis.

In fact, Brülosophy attempted on numerous occasions to work something out with the LODO (and Low Dissolved Oxygen Brewing) folks, to no avail. The response has typically been some form of "let people try it for themselves and decide, they don't need your kind of data."  So, even if asked to participate, they decline preferring to play the outcast and sit on a superiority pedestal. 

BTW, if you ask a direct question on their site you’ll often similarly get the ‘go find it yourself’ answer. (Guess how I know). Once you get past getting cussed out, you’ll end up wading thru piles of scientific papers where you might find the answer. Then, when you think you have it figured out they’ll change the process buried in tens of pages of a discussion forum and ridicule you because you’re behind the times.

The same can be said for the AHA. Once in a while they’ll get off their high horse to visit the dredges of brewer society here. When they do visit, if you disagree with them you’ll get the ‘old what for’ and then they retreat to their own site complaining this is an echo chamber.  There they denigrate the folks here for *gasp* having a different opinion than they do.  Talk about an echo chamber. (Denny gets especially great coverage there.)

No. It’s simply ridiculous that he said they’re not supported. They choose not to be supported so they can say that.

Though I can’t speak for the AHA, based on what I’ve seen I believe they’d be totally welcome ...but they have to allow dissenting views to do it which evidently they aren’t willing to do.


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A lot of heresay there.
I found no google-able proof of any of those claims.
Sounds very "get off my lawn", which falls into what I have seen here (long time lurker, first time poster).

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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2020, 08:00:27 PM »
Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.

I would appreciate hearing what portion you’re referring to. That would be something to correct.

Reading between the lines and looking at his post history, I would guess he's referring to the low dissolved oxygen brewing community. Didn't realize they were discriminated against, but I'm not very active here and I'm sure there's at least 2 sides to this story...
They’re not discriminated against here. They’ve segregated themselves because everyone doesn’t agree with them.

For example: they often complain that Brülosophy has bastardized their processes. Yet, if you peel back the onion just one layer you’ll find that Marshall has contacted them to help set up a better analysis.

In fact, Brülosophy attempted on numerous occasions to work something out with the LODO (and Low Dissolved Oxygen Brewing) folks, to no avail. The response has typically been some form of "let people try it for themselves and decide, they don't need your kind of data."  So, even if asked to participate, they decline preferring to play the outcast and sit on a superiority pedestal. 

BTW, if you ask a direct question on their site you’ll often similarly get the ‘go find it yourself’ answer. (Guess how I know). Once you get past getting cussed out, you’ll end up wading thru piles of scientific papers where you might find the answer. Then, when you think you have it figured out they’ll change the process buried in tens of pages of a discussion forum and ridicule you because you’re behind the times.

The same can be said for the AHA. Once in a while they’ll get off their high horse to visit the dredges of brewer society here. When they do visit, if you disagree with them you’ll get the ‘old what for’ and then they retreat to their own site complaining this is an echo chamber.  There they denigrate the folks here for *gasp* having a different opinion than they do.  Talk about an echo chamber. (Denny gets especially great coverage there.)

No. It’s simply ridiculous that he said they’re not supported. They choose not to be supported so they can say that.

Though I can’t speak for the AHA, based on what I’ve seen I believe they’d be totally welcome ...but they have to allow dissenting views to do it which evidently they aren’t willing to do.


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You nailed it.

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Re: BA/AHA Layoffs - Gary Glass!
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2020, 08:24:53 PM »
Can’t say I’m sad about the trouble the AHA finds itself in. They certainly don’t represent, or even accept, a certain portion of the brewing population. Maybe this will end up being cathartic.

I would appreciate hearing what portion you’re referring to. That would be something to correct.

Reading between the lines and looking at his post history, I would guess he's referring to the low dissolved oxygen brewing community. Didn't realize they were discriminated against, but I'm not very active here and I'm sure there's at least 2 sides to this story...
They’re not discriminated against here. They’ve segregated themselves because everyone doesn’t agree with them.

For example: they often complain that Brülosophy has bastardized their processes. Yet, if you peel back the onion just one layer you’ll find that Marshall has contacted them to help set up a better analysis.

In fact, Brülosophy attempted on numerous occasions to work something out with the LODO (and Low Dissolved Oxygen Brewing) folks, to no avail. The response has typically been some form of "let people try it for themselves and decide, they don't need your kind of data."  So, even if asked to participate, they decline preferring to play the outcast and sit on a superiority pedestal. 

BTW, if you ask a direct question on their site you’ll often similarly get the ‘go find it yourself’ answer. (Guess how I know). Once you get past getting cussed out, you’ll end up wading thru piles of scientific papers where you might find the answer. Then, when you think you have it figured out they’ll change the process buried in tens of pages of a discussion forum and ridicule you because you’re behind the times.

The same can be said for the AHA. Once in a while they’ll get off their high horse to visit the dredges of brewer society here. When they do visit, if you disagree with them you’ll get the ‘old what for’ and then they retreat to their own site complaining this is an echo chamber.  There they denigrate the folks here for *gasp* having a different opinion than they do.  Talk about an echo chamber. (Denny gets especially great coverage there.)

No. It’s simply ridiculous that he said they’re not supported. They choose not to be supported so they can say that.

Though I can’t speak for the AHA, based on what I’ve seen I believe they’d be totally welcome ...but they have to allow dissenting views to do it which evidently they aren’t willing to do.


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A lot of heresay there.
I found no google-able proof of any of those claims.
Sounds very "get off my lawn", which falls into what I have seen here (long time lurker, first time poster).
Long time lurker? Your account was created two days ago.