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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2020, 03:21:20 pm »
i know this isn't the thread for it.

but don't you have problems with a lack of clarity if you don't secondary?

what tricks or techniques do you use besides cold crashing?

Nope.  Just leave it in primary for what would have been the time of combined primary and sexondary.
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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2020, 03:56:59 pm »
Goose, have you tried dry hopping with whole cone hops and a bag?
Not in the primary.  I would have to open the fermenter to add the cones or a bag which is what, I really don't want to do for obvious reasons.

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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2020, 03:58:19 pm »
I'm the odd man out it appears. Although I rarely use a secondary, that changes when I dry hop.  I have found that I often don't care for the interaction between hops and yeast, so I like to get the beer off the yeast before dry hopping.
I am thinking I need to return to that method, Denny.  The beer also clears better.

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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2020, 07:08:25 pm »
thanks for the replies. i should let it wait longer, but i always want to try gelatin again. i had a bad experience with gelatin once, not sure what went wrong with it but it basically left small gelatin particles in the bottom of every bottle.

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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2020, 08:40:37 pm »
thanks for the replies. i should let it wait longer, but i always want to try gelatin again. i had a bad experience with gelatin once, not sure what went wrong with it but it basically left small gelatin particles in the bottom of every bottle.
This happen with some strain of yeast, low floculation and not enought gelatin

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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2020, 09:42:04 pm »
Crash cooling is amazing at dropping out hops and yeast, but it sounds like that's out of the question.

I've used this when I wanted to primary dry hop a Neipa AND transfer the beer to keg for spunding before it's completely done.  It took about a half hour for 5 gallons, because if I let it flow any faster it would drain the filter tube empty, but it worked.

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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2020, 10:36:06 pm »
Denny, can you elaborate? What kinds of flavors did you get that you suspect are from that interaction? I have a terrible palate sometimes and want to know what to look for. While I love shaving unnecessary time off a brew I don't want to make crap beer for the sake of convenience either

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Several times I experienced what I perceived as increased levels of geraniol.
Thanks! Any particular yeast strains or hop varieties that produced geraniol?

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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2020, 08:39:05 am »
Denny, can you elaborate? What kinds of flavors did you get that you suspect are from that interaction? I have a terrible palate sometimes and want to know what to look for. While I love shaving unnecessary time off a brew I don't want to make crap beer for the sake of convenience either

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Several times I experienced what I perceived as increased levels of geraniol.
Thanks! Any particular yeast strains or hop varieties that produced geraniol?

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This is interesting, because yeast biotransformation is supposed to convert geraniol to citronellol. Theoretically, you should be seeing less floral and more citrus. I'm also curious if there are specific strains or hop varieties at play in this interaction. Maybe there are yeast strains that favor geraniol over citronellol and/or linalool. Or maybe certain hop strains posssess a high level of geraniol precursors.
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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2020, 07:17:32 pm »
Crash cooling is amazing at dropping out hops and yeast, but it sounds like that's out of the question.

I've used this when I wanted to primary dry hop a Neipa AND transfer the beer to keg for spunding before it's completely done.  It took about a half hour for 5 gallons, because if I let it flow any faster it would drain the filter tube empty, but it worked.

https://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/brewingfilters.php#autosiphon


Thanks for the link, I might set up a crash cooling system and thermometre-connected temp control this fall once I start brewing again. It seems like one of the last 1 or 2 important things im missing.

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Re: Racking without proper oxygen care, or DH without removing yeast?
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2020, 07:20:06 pm »
btw, wow thats an awesome site. we have little like that in canada and not for anywhere close to those prices.