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Offline levm38

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Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« on: August 24, 2020, 04:32:45 am »
Hello

I just got one Wyeast Yeast and it says Mfg July 1st 2020.

How much percentage is lost per month? is there a calculator for this?  PLease note its a Smack Pack.


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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2020, 06:28:56 am »
what does it mean Mfg + 0.5 ??

so the viability of my yeast is 64% only! 54 days old :(

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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2020, 07:37:12 am »
I used to get all hung up on viability numbers (predicted by brewing software) with various yeasts that I have used.  I don't worry about that anymore.  Obviously I try to use it by the manufacturer's "best by date" as a precaution.  However, if you make a starter, you will be fine.  I have had some yeast that was almost three months old, made a starter, and had active fermentation in about 4-6 hours.  Denny posted a while back that he made a beer with a yeast that was 2.5 years old just to see what would happen and it came out fine.
With dry yeast they can be a year or so old and they will still be fine.  And no, I do not rehydrate them
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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2020, 07:40:13 am »
Hello

I just got one Wyeast Yeast and it says Mfg July 1st 2020.

How much percentage is lost per month? is there a calculator for this?  PLease note its a Smack Pack.


Thanks

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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2020, 07:41:21 am »
I used to get all hung up on viability numbers (predicted by brewing software) with various yeasts that I have used.  I don't worry about that anymore.  Obviously I try to use it by the manufacturer's "best by date" as a precaution.  However, if you make a starter, you will be fine.  I have had some yeast that was almost three months old, made a starter, and had active fermentation in about 4-6 hours.  Denny posted a while back that he made a beer with a yeast that was 2.5 years old just to see what would happen and it came out fine.
With dry yeast they can be a year or so old and they will still be fine.  And no, I do not rehydrate them

Like Mark has pointed out many times, it's about yeast health, not cell count.
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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2020, 07:43:08 am »
I used a 6-7 month old smack pack of WY1450 that the calculators told me had 0% viability.  It fermented just fine.

I would say that if you smack the pack and it blows up, your'e good to go.

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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2020, 07:45:40 am »
I used a 6-7 month old smack pack of WY1450 that the calculators told me had 0% viability.  It fermented just fine.

I would say that if you smack the pack and it blows up, your'e good to go.

Yep.  That's the purpose of a smack pack.
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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2020, 11:48:18 am »
I used to get all hung up on viability numbers (predicted by brewing software) with various yeasts that I have used.  I don't worry about that anymore.  Obviously I try to use it by the manufacturer's "best by date" as a precaution.  However, if you make a starter, you will be fine.  I have had some yeast that was almost three months old, made a starter, and had active fermentation in about 4-6 hours.  Denny posted a while back that he made a beer with a yeast that was 2.5 years old just to see what would happen and it came out fine.
With dry yeast they can be a year or so old and they will still be fine.  And no, I do not rehydrate them
I just fermented a mild with Munton's yeast dated 11/16 that turned out fine. I didn't rehydrate or aerate.
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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2020, 06:57:45 pm »
I use the starter calculator in Beersmith.  I understand that this calculator uses a combination of the following to calculate the needed starter size:
- Mfg date of of the liquid yeast.
-Brew date
-OG
- May be some other factors

I believe that the software estimates that the viable yeast cells diminish by about 20% per month. 

I plan ahead so my LHBS can have available Wyeast packs that have been manufactured within 2 months of my brew day.  So far, this has worked well for me.

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Re: Wyeast MFg Date July 1st
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2020, 12:55:01 am »
Please throw the yeast cell calculators out with the trash, as they are next to worthless. There is absolutely no way to calculate the viability of a yeast culture and anyone who tells you that you can does not know what he/she is talking about. Yeast cultures are a heck of a lot more robust than most brewers believe. My whole beef with brewing software is that it attempts to achieve a level of precision that does represent reality. The only way to determine viability is to count viable cells using a microscope and a hemocytometer.

In practice, it is never a good idea to pitch a liquid culture that is more than a week or two old without first making a starter. Making a starter is not so much about increasing cell count, as it is about increasing cell health. The yeast biomass grows at a rate of 2^n, where the symbol “^” denotes raised to power of; therefore, it does not take very long for for a small number of yeast cells to become a very large number of yeast cells. What is important is sanitation because bacteria also grows exponentially and its replication period is 1/3rd that of yeast; therefore, the bacteria biomass grows by a factor of 8 every time the yeast cell count doubles.