Well now, I don't think I want to make beer from compost! On the other hand I don't want to miss an opportunity so I will pick a few, leave a few and take an unpicked vine home with me and see how it goes. Will post the results. Great forum by the way, have really enjoyed the posts, both the info and the tone. It seems a good number of the paricipants are the wiser folk, full of doubts, but not afraid to put it out there.