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Offline danicomix

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Help for scale recipe
« on: November 28, 2020, 03:43:10 am »
Hi, I'd like to clone this recipe:

https://beerguysradio.com/2016/04/06/synesthesia-saison-recipe/

The recipe Is for 2 house boil but i've possibility to boil only for 1 hours....can you help me???
The grist Is not a problem....I'd like help for the hops!!
Thanks
Daniele

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Re: Help for scale recipe
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2020, 06:25:46 am »

Looks like a nice Saison ... following to see what the greybeards recommend for scaling the boil time. 

All I can think of is to (1) adjust your quantity of hops up for the shorter boil and (2) adjust your preboil volume down for less boil-off.
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Re: Help for scale recipe
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2020, 06:52:03 am »
You really don't need to change the recipe at all.  It will turn out identical with no changes made.

IF you want to get picky about it:

Difference in hop utilization for the FWH from 2 hours to 1 hour boil goes from about 25% to about 23%, a factor of 25/23 = 1.09, which means if you wanted absolute identical results, you could add an extra 0.04 ounce of the FWH if you wish to get the same IBUs.  Otherwise you might see a reduction of 2 IBUs.  0.04 ounce is like 1 gram, if your scale can even measure that small (mine has trouble measuring this).  Meanwhile, human beings are unable to distinguish differences in IBUs less than about 3-4 IBUs.  So to a human being, 21 IBUs tastes exactly the same as 23 IBUs anyway.  So this whole discussion is truly a moot point.  So...

You really don't need to change the recipe at all.  It will turn out identical with no changes made.
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Re: Help for scale recipe
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2020, 08:51:48 am »
Hi...i think the problem was in FWH...in the recipe the FWH Is on 2 boil hours...in my recipe only in One hour....so in my recipe fwh and 60 minute are very near each other....It's a problem? A lot of people substitute 60 Min with FWH...

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Re: Help for scale recipe
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2020, 11:29:24 am »
You really don't need to change the recipe at all.  It will turn out identical with no changes made.

IF you want to get picky about it:

Difference in hop utilization for the FWH from 2 hours to 1 hour boil goes from about 25% to about 23%, a factor of 25/23 = 1.09, which means if you wanted absolute identical results, you could add an extra 0.04 ounce of the FWH if you wish to get the same IBUs.  Otherwise you might see a reduction of 2 IBUs.  0.04 ounce is like 1 gram, if your scale can even measure that small (mine has trouble measuring this).  Meanwhile, human beings are unable to distinguish differences in IBUs less than about 3-4 IBUs.  So to a human being, 21 IBUs tastes exactly the same as 23 IBUs anyway.  So this whole discussion is truly a moot point.  So...

You really don't need to change the recipe at all.  It will turn out identical with no changes made.


Hi...i think the problem was in FWH...in the recipe the FWH Is on 2 boil hours...in my recipe only in One hour....so in my recipe fwh and 60 minute are very near each other....It's a problem? A lot of people substitute 60 Min with FWH