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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2021, 03:13:37 pm »
One can have a grape flavor in the finished beer without sauergut. It has happened to me. It is a Welches grape juice flavor. I've picked up in Germany from time to time.

Acidulated malt is sprayed with sauergut, but it is not fresh.

The last time on the Ayinger tour I was standing in the back while under the new house. I got a whiff of something lactic. Turned around and there was the bioreactor.
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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2021, 04:32:17 pm »
Apologies if I missed the answer is it was posted here, but saurgut is essentially just a lactic fermented beer, right? Would a kettle-sour Berliner Weisse style beer that was inoculated with a handful of Pils malt be in the ballpark? I don't think I'd make saurgut just for the sake of saurgut, but if I had some lactic sour beer laying around I'd possibly consider adding some to my mash instead of lactic acid as a pH adjustment.
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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2021, 05:09:49 pm »
Apologies if I missed the answer is it was posted here, but saurgut is essentially just a lactic fermented beer, right? Would a kettle-sour Berliner Weisse style beer that was inoculated with a handful of Pils malt be in the ballpark? I don't think I'd make saurgut just for the sake of saurgut, but if I had some lactic sour beer laying around I'd possibly consider adding some to my mash instead of lactic acid as a pH adjustment.

SG is made from unhopped wort soured with lactobacillus but there are no yeast involved and therefore it's non alcoholic. Sauergut is also quite a bit higher in acid content then a typical sour beer otherwise you'd have to add a lot of it for pH control.

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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2021, 08:16:31 pm »
Apologies if I missed the answer is it was posted here, but saurgut is essentially just a lactic fermented beer, right? Would a kettle-sour Berliner Weisse style beer that was inoculated with a handful of Pils malt be in the ballpark? I don't think I'd make saurgut just for the sake of saurgut, but if I had some lactic sour beer laying around I'd possibly consider adding some to my mash instead of lactic acid as a pH adjustment.

SG is made from unhopped wort soured with lactobacillus but there are no yeast involved and therefore it's non alcoholic. Sauergut is also quite a bit higher in acid content then a typical sour beer otherwise you'd have to add a lot of it for pH control.
What is the pH of a typical Sauergut? A bracingly tart lambic gets down to the low 3's
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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2021, 08:46:42 pm »
What is the pH of a typical Sauergut? A bracingly tart lambic gets down to the low 3's

Also in the low 3's but it's not about the pH, it's the titratable acidity that makes the difference.

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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2021, 06:24:06 am »
Apologies if I missed the answer is it was posted here, but saurgut is essentially just a lactic fermented beer, right? Would a kettle-sour Berliner Weisse style beer that was inoculated with a handful of Pils malt be in the ballpark? I don't think I'd make saurgut just for the sake of saurgut, but if I had some lactic sour beer laying around I'd possibly consider adding some to my mash instead of lactic acid as a pH adjustment.

SG is made from unhopped wort soured with lactobacillus but there are no yeast involved and therefore it's non alcoholic. Sauergut is also quite a bit higher in acid content then a typical sour beer otherwise you'd have to add a lot of it for pH control.
What is the pH of a typical Sauergut? A bracingly tart lambic gets down to the low 3's

Softdrinks like Coke have a pH of 2.5, phosphoric acid is used.
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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2021, 10:19:11 am »
I have two 1-pound bags of Weyermann Acidulated malt.  I opened one just now and took a whiff... no real smell.  Then I popped a couple kernels in my mouth.  No real flavor.  It tasted like pilsner malt.  Should it be wickedly sour or something?  If so, then it's either been packaged improperly or else it's old (I probably ordered this sometime in the past 12 months).  Does this sound right?
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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2021, 11:39:36 am »
What is the pH of a typical Sauergut? A bracingly tart lambic gets down to the low 3's

Also in the low 3's but it's not about the pH, it's the titratable acidity that makes the difference.
Not trying to be argumentative, but wouldn't the TA be similar between two liquids at the same pH if the primary acid is the same (i.e., lactic acid in this case)? Am I missing something else that distinguishes a sauergut from other lacto-soured beers?
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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2021, 01:53:53 pm »
From what I understand there’s a certain grape flavor characteristic that comes from sauergut that the home brewers are looking for. I drank a bunch of beer in Germany and I don’t recall ever tasting grapes but these guys say it’s a key characteristic so what do I know.


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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2021, 05:47:40 pm »
I have two 1-pound bags of Weyermann Acidulated malt.  I opened one just now and took a whiff... no real smell.  Then I popped a couple kernels in my mouth.  No real flavor.  It tasted like pilsner malt.  Should it be wickedly sour or something?  If so, then it's either been packaged improperly or else it's old (I probably ordered this sometime in the past 12 months).  Does this sound right?

My Weyermann acid malt is noticeably tart and flavorful even if you just chew two or three kernels.  You wouldn't mistake it for pilsner mat.
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Re: Have we had a conversation here about sauergut?
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2021, 09:30:06 pm »
I have two 1-pound bags of Weyermann Acidulated malt.  I opened one just now and took a whiff... no real smell.  Then I popped a couple kernels in my mouth.  No real flavor.  It tasted like pilsner malt.  Should it be wickedly sour or something?  If so, then it's either been packaged improperly or else it's old (I probably ordered this sometime in the past 12 months).  Does this sound right?

My Weyermann acid malt is noticeably tart and flavorful even if you just chew two or three kernels.  You wouldn't mistake it for pilsner mat.
That's weird.  Maybe it needs to be used quickly?  I dunno but I will probably bail on this and order some new acid malt and see if there is a difference.  Thanks for the reply. 
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