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Vienna lager
« Reply #120 on: March 13, 2021, 12:44:58 PM »
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Pulling a pint of this Vienna Lager and enjoying it in our bar reminds me so much of sitting in a pub in Frankfurt, Munich, and Amsterdam. Maybe that's why I like it so much!

My local neighborhood friend / pro-brewer / home brewer (transplanted from Austin) says this is an awesome beer.

Good style for upcoming Cinco de Mayo festivities.


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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #121 on: March 13, 2021, 06:20:42 PM »
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Pulling a pint of this Vienna Lager and enjoying it in our bar reminds me so much of sitting in a pub in Frankfurt, Munich, and Amsterdam. Maybe that's why I like it so much!

My local neighborhood friend / pro-brewer / home brewer (transplanted from Austin) says this is an awesome beer.

Good style for upcoming Cinco de Mayo festivities.


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i guess power to you, and my recollection of negro modelo(a?) is of a pretty meh, industrial tasting beer. but it seems so strange to me how the general american perception of vienna lager is so influenced by this one beer that simply calls itself "vienna". idk to me even the colour/tint of it seems off from what is in my mind.

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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #122 on: March 13, 2021, 07:31:14 PM »
My recent Viennaish beer came out the color of Negra Modelo, but I was not shooting for something that dark.  Two ounces of Blackprinz coupled with a two-hour boil resulted in a beer with a deep amber color.  I never used Blackprinz before this beer.  It appears to be more effective than standard black patent malt when it comes to coloring beer.

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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #123 on: March 13, 2021, 08:02:44 PM »
My recent Viennaish beer came out the color of Negra Modelo, but I was not shooting for something that dark.  Two ounces of Blackprinz coupled with a two-hour boil resulted in a beer with a deep amber color.  I never used Blackprinz before this beer.  It appears to be more effective than standard black patent malt when it comes to coloring beer.

i believe it is true, but a beer can have the same SRM, but a different tint of course right? its been ages but in my mind negra modelo is reddish-dark. the vienna in my mind is orange-brownish.

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« Reply #124 on: March 13, 2021, 10:16:19 PM »
Modelo Negra is a Dunkel Style beer vs Vienna. See post #50 above


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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #125 on: March 14, 2021, 12:05:35 AM »
Modelo Negra is a Dunkel Style beer vs Vienna. See post #50 above


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Negra Modelo may be marketed as a Dunkel, but have one side by side with something like Warsteiner Dunkel and try to convince me that they're the same style. To me, that change in labeling from years ago seems like a marketing department decision more than anything.

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« Reply #126 on: March 14, 2021, 12:17:29 AM »
Modelo Negra is a Dunkel Style beer vs Vienna. See post #50 above


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Negra Modelo may be marketed as a Dunkel, but have one side by side with something like Warsteiner Dunkel and try to convince me that they're the same style. To me, that change in labeling from years ago seems like a marketing department decision more than anything.

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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #127 on: March 14, 2021, 01:34:48 PM »
There was a time when Negra Modelo was one of my go-to beers, today it tastes like any other mass marketed beer, with little attraction for true beer lovers. Well...I would drink it before a Bud Light, but that's not saying much.

I would not consider it a Vienna Lager at all.
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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #128 on: March 14, 2021, 03:22:02 PM »
The styles were brought to Mexico but the character has been changed on purpose to make the beer go better with the warm, tropical climate and also the food.  You can't (or shouldn't) compare Negra Modelo with a European dunkel.  It could probably be a separate set of guidelines after all this time.  I would bet that there is corn in Negra Modelo although I thought I saw somewhere that it was an all-malt beer.  I believe Victoria is the Vienna-style, Negra Modelo is the Dunkel-style but they're both Mexican-style. 
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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #129 on: March 14, 2021, 04:16:40 PM »
Is anyone else old enough to remember when American lager brewers produced a bock beer in the winter?  I believe that it was mostly a colored, slightly stronger version of the standard product, but I was just a kid at the time.

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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #130 on: March 14, 2021, 04:38:16 PM »
Is anyone else old enough to remember when American lager brewers produced a bock beer in the winter?  I believe that it was mostly a colored, slightly stronger version of the standard product, but I was just a kid at the time.

I recall seeing it in the spring when they were "cleaning out the ferementers".....so the story went!
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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #131 on: March 14, 2021, 05:08:17 PM »
Is anyone else old enough to remember when American lager brewers produced a bock beer in the winter?  I believe that it was mostly a colored, slightly stronger version of the standard product, but I was just a kid at the time.

For years Coors produced a seasonal beer "Winterfest", which was drinkable. But to me, it tasted much like their Killian's Irish Red.
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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #132 on: March 14, 2021, 05:44:40 PM »
Is anyone else old enough to remember when American lager brewers produced a bock beer in the winter?  I believe that it was mostly a colored, slightly stronger version of the standard product, but I was just a kid at the time.

I recall seeing it in the spring when they were "cleaning out the ferementers".....so the story went!
All the local breweries in Cincinnati would have a Bockbier in the Spring.  Some of them were actually authentic, although not as strong as their German aspirations.  Those big regional breweries are mostly gone now, but I remember Wiedeman, Burger, Hudephol, Red Cap and maybe some others.
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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #133 on: March 14, 2021, 08:48:40 PM »
Is anyone else old enough to remember when American lager brewers produced a bock beer in the winter?  I believe that it was mostly a colored, slightly stronger version of the standard product, but I was just a kid at the time.

I recall seeing it in the spring when they were "cleaning out the ferementers".....so the story went!
All the local breweries in Cincinnati would have a Bockbier in the Spring.  Some of them were actually authentic, although not as strong as their German aspirations.  Those big regional breweries are mostly gone now, but I remember Wiedeman, Burger, Hudephol, Red Cap and maybe some others.
I am 55 and when I was a kid I collected beer cans so my dad would often save them for me.  In the spring, my dad would buy whichever bock he was able to find.  I distinctly remember Meister Brau Bock and also Huber Bock.  There was a beer called Old Chicago and in the spring they had Old Chicago Dark in a different-colored can.  He liked that style which I'm sure was a very watered-down version compared to a true bock but he liked it just the same.  When I go see him I usually pick up a twelver of Shiner Bock... he really likes it and he has trouble finding it in his neighborhood. 
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Re: Vienna lager
« Reply #134 on: March 14, 2021, 09:59:01 PM »
Is anyone else old enough to remember when American lager brewers produced a bock beer in the winter?  I believe that it was mostly a colored, slightly stronger version of the standard product, but I was just a kid at the time.

Yeah, I to was in the Spring when they cleaned the tanks. I remember my dad saying that.

That is an old myth that will never completely disappear.
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