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New Style Guidelines?
« on: February 24, 2021, 07:26:29 PM »
A good friend in the industry has suggested (tongue in cheek) all beers be classified into 2 styles....beer flavored beer and not beer flavored beer.  Brilliant in it's simplicity!  What do you think?
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2021, 07:53:35 PM »
Incredibly narrow minded and exclusive. I've been thinking about the beer styles for a while. The Caterina Sour style made me wonder how different it could be, and why you need that style when fruited sour is available. I've been helping my sister in law edit her papers, some have been about diversity and inclusion in education and how many things are approached from a white/european viewpoint. When people talk about "beer flavored beer", they're usually focusing on beer with a german background while ignoring and denigrating the rest. It also buys in to decades of Macro beer advertising thats still going on. It was only a few years ago when Budweiser or Miller put out that commercial calling craft beer "too fussy" while promoting "real beer".

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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2021, 07:57:27 PM »
Then how will I know which category to enter my non fruited mango white cascadian low Ibu low alcohol IIIPA with jalapeño and pumpkin green bean m and m chocolate milk white stout?


Does anyone take beer styles seriously other than home brewers who want a ribbon? I’m pretty sure most, if not all of the most popular examples of the style arent brewed to any other standard than being a beer people want to drink.
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2021, 08:02:17 PM »
Incredibly narrow minded and exclusive. I've been thinking about the beer styles for a while. The Caterina Sour style made me wonder how different it could be, and why you need that style when fruited sour is available. I've been helping my sister in law edit her papers, some have been about diversity and inclusion in education and how many things are approached from a white/european viewpoint. When people talk about "beer flavored beer", they're usually focusing on beer with a german background while ignoring and denigrating the rest. It also buys in to decades of Macro beer advertising thats still going on. It was only a few years ago when Budweiser or Miller put out that commercial calling craft beer "too fussy" while promoting "real beer".

Maybe you missed the humor?  Maybe it's not funny?  Maybe I have a warped sense of humor?  Maybe I don't take beer as seriously as some people?
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2021, 08:02:55 PM »
Then how will I know which category to enter my non fruited mango white cascadian low Ibu low alcohol IIIPA with jalapeño and pumpkin green bean m and m chocolate milk white stout?


Does anyone take beer styles seriously other than home brewers who want a ribbon? I’m pretty sure most, if not all of the most popular examples of the style arent brewed to any other standard than being a beer people want to drink.

Commercial brewers do for GABF.  I understand more styles were just added for that.
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2021, 08:03:56 PM »
A good friend in the industry has suggested (tongue in cheek) all beers be classified into 2 styles....beer flavored beer and not beer flavored beer.  Brilliant in it's simplicity!  What do you think?

Then I'd only need to brew one style. Great!
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2021, 08:04:38 PM »
Eventually there’ll be so many styles that anything fermented with any beer yeast will fit. Doesn’t bother me at all but seems a bit silly.
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2021, 08:05:46 PM »
Kind of a strange attitude for somebody well known for his bourbon vanilla porter recipe.
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2021, 08:09:00 PM »
Whenever I see jalapeno or higher Scoville pepper listed in a beer, I suggest the Spiced, Herb & Vegetable Beer category.

I have actually had a lager beer complimented by a visitor to my house as a "Real beer-flavored beer for a change". 

As to narrowmindedness, I had a good friend who had an incredible wine collection - quite highly valued, to the point that insuring it while in his wine cellar (basement) became unavailable and he had to move the collection to more secure off-premises storage.  His view on wine was simply: "there are two kinds of wine - wines you like and wines you don't".  My wife ascribes to that simplicity.
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2021, 08:37:05 PM »
Kind of a strange attitude for somebody well known for his bourbon vanilla porter recipe.

But that tastes like beer.  To me there's a difference between using ingredients to enhance beer and ingredients that define beer.
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2021, 08:52:46 PM »
A good friend in the industry has suggested (tongue in cheek) all beers be classified into 2 styles....beer flavored beer and not beer flavored beer.  Brilliant in it's simplicity!  What do you think?

Well I found this to be brilliant, Denny.

Chalk me up as a fan of beer-flavored beer.

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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2021, 08:57:03 PM »
A good friend in the industry has suggested (tongue in cheek) all beers be classified into 2 styles....beer flavored beer and not beer flavored beer.  Brilliant in it's simplicity!  What do you think?

Well I found this to be brilliant, Denny.

Chalk me up as a fan of beer-flavored beer.

I knew ya would be!
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2021, 09:13:45 PM »
I'm all for two categories:

1) German lagers
2) everything else.

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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2021, 09:35:46 PM »
I'm all for two categories:

1) German lagers
2) everything else.

Cheers.

I could see that...
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Re: New Style Guidelines?
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2021, 10:40:43 PM »
Easy to stay in the guidelines...

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