[BeerfanOz]

Why is it that a lot home brewers who are into brewing German pils are so high and mighty about it? It’s just another beer style

[Bel Air Brewing]

This is kind of funny...as I have had many beers in Tokyo, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Munich, and London, that tasted like beer. And not one of these beers would be considered by the folks here as a "craft beer". They were all from mainstream breweries.

Just to name a couple...Yebisu, Hoffbrau, Spaten, Heineken, Grolsch, Kirin. Had them all in their home country. And they not only tasted like beer, they were excellent! Some of the absolute best lagers I have had were in Japan, on draft.

Many in the industry (here in the US) are simply trying too hard.

[majorvices]

say whatever you want, but my way of brewing has almost always been several years ahed of the curve. i have moved into this kind of trend of restraint and production and improving recipes for quite some time now. I don't jump on bandwagons.

I wasn't replying to you. Just FYI. Just giving my personal perspective.

[Oiscout]

I'll tell you what should be on the list, or not but I had an Erdinger Dunkel. It was quite pleasent

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[reverseapachemaster]

Why is it that a lot home brewers who are into brewing German pils are so high and mighty about it? It’s just another beer style

I think it is the lingering attitude about the purity and discipline of German beer being peak brewing together with the fact that for a lot of older homebrewers drank a lot of German imports. Brewing lagers well requires a lot of attention to detail but the same can be said for a lot of styles. Just because you can brew an ok IPA and skate by loading it up with hops doesn't mean a great IPA doesn't require the same attention to detail.

I like pils a lot and I'm literally drinking one now as I type.

[fredthecat]

This is kind of funny...as I have had many beers in Tokyo, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Munich, and London, that tasted like beer. And not one of these beers would be considered by the folks here as a "craft beer". They were all from mainstream breweries.

Just to name a couple...Yebisu, Hoffbrau, Spaten, Heineken, Grolsch, Kirin. Had them all in their home country. And they not only tasted like beer, they were excellent! Some of the absolute best lagers I have had were in Japan, on draft.

Many in the industry (here in the US) are simply trying too hard.

of those only grolsch actually tastes well made. hofbrauhaus (if thats what you meant) has never hit me right. the rest are meh.

[Bel Air Brewing]

This is kind of funny...as I have had many beers in Tokyo, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Munich, and London, that tasted like beer. And not one of these beers would be considered by the folks here as a "craft beer". They were all from mainstream breweries.

Just to name a couple...Yebisu, Hoffbrau, Spaten, Heineken, Grolsch, Kirin. Had them all in their home country. And they not only tasted like beer, they were excellent! Some of the absolute best lagers I have had were in Japan, on draft.

Many in the industry (here in the US) are simply trying too hard.

of those only grolsch actually tastes well made. hofbrauhaus (if thats what you meant) has never hit me right. the rest are meh.

Have you tried Yebisu on draft in a Tokyo bar? Some of the best lager I’ve had. I meant the Hoffbrau Brewery, not the restaurant.
Here is where I part ways with the crowd, as my taste leans heavily towards clean, crisp, full bodied lagers.

[BeerfanOz]

This is kind of funny...as I have had many beers in Tokyo, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Munich, and London, that tasted like beer. And not one of these beers would be considered by the folks here as a "craft beer". They were all from mainstream breweries.

Just to name a couple...Yebisu, Hoffbrau, Spaten, Heineken, Grolsch, Kirin. Had them all in their home country. And they not only tasted like beer, they were excellent! Some of the absolute best lagers I have had were in Japan, on draft.

Many in the industry (here in the US) are simply trying too hard.

of those only grolsch actually tastes well made. hofbrauhaus (if thats what you meant) has never hit me right. the rest are meh.

Maybe you’re so far ahead of the curve you’ve lost your tastebuds?


Anyway, each to their own, drink what you enjoy

[Bel Air Brewing]

This is kind of funny...as I have had many beers in Tokyo, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Munich, and London, that tasted like beer. And not one of these beers would be considered by the folks here as a "craft beer". They were all from mainstream breweries.

Just to name a couple...Yebisu, Hoffbrau, Spaten, Heineken, Grolsch, Kirin. Had them all in their home country. And they not only tasted like beer, they were excellent! Some of the absolute best lagers I have had were in Japan, on draft.

Many in the industry (here in the US) are simply trying too hard.

of those only grolsch actually tastes well made. hofbrauhaus (if thats what you meant) has never hit me right. the rest are meh.

Maybe you’re so far ahead of the curve you’ve lost your tastebuds?


Anyway, each to their own, drink what you enjoy

Dang...I forgot to mention Sydney and Brisbane! Spent a lot of time there, and the beer was great! VB and 4X were favorites! I even smuggled these back to the States by the case.

[Oiscout]

We are planning a trip to europe now that we are vaccinated and some travel restrictions are lifted. Definitely looking forward to doing some serious beer drinking

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[pete b]

I guess I am lucky in that I like and appreciate a wide variety of styles. Right now I have on tap, lagering, or in fermenters a NEIPA, Porter, bohemian pilsner, Maibock, and English bitter.
What seems to be happening these days is people who are into European lagers seem to think that no one else is sophisticated enough to enjoy their nuances and everyone is on the hoppy beer bandwagon. Well, 2010 called and they want their conceit back. The fact is lagers have become quite trendy and more and more people are drinking them and I am seeing more and more shelf space given to them.

[BeerfanOz]

This is kind of funny...as I have had many beers in Tokyo, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Munich, and London, that tasted like beer. And not one of these beers would be considered by the folks here as a "craft beer". They were all from mainstream breweries.

Just to name a couple...Yebisu, Hoffbrau, Spaten, Heineken, Grolsch, Kirin. Had them all in their home country. And they not only tasted like beer, they were excellent! Some of the absolute best lagers I have had were in Japan, on draft.

Many in the industry (here in the US) are simply trying too hard.

of those only grolsch actually tastes well made. hofbrauhaus (if thats what you meant) has never hit me right. the rest are meh.

Maybe you’re so far ahead of the curve you’ve lost your tastebuds?


Anyway, each to their own, drink what you enjoy

Dang...I forgot to mention Sydney and Brisbane! Spent a lot of time there, and the beer was great! VB and 4X were favorites! I even smuggled these back to the States by the case.

I don’t mind 4x but VB, well, I’m not a fan haha! All our mainstream lagers just use plain old cane sugar, cheap and available here.

[denny]

This is kind of funny...as I have had many beers in Tokyo, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Munich, and London, that tasted like beer. And not one of these beers would be considered by the folks here as a "craft beer". They were all from mainstream breweries.

Just to name a couple...Yebisu, Hoffbrau, Spaten, Heineken, Grolsch, Kirin. Had them all in their home country. And they not only tasted like beer, they were excellent! Some of the absolute best lagers I have had were in Japan, on draft.

Many in the industry (here in the US) are simply trying too hard.

of those only grolsch actually tastes well made. hofbrauhaus (if thats what you meant) has never hit me right. the rest are meh.

Maybe you’re so far ahead of the curve you’ve lost your tastebuds?


Anyway, each to their own, drink what you enjoy

Dang...I forgot to mention Sydney and Brisbane! Spent a lot of time there, and the beer was great! VB and 4X were favorites! I even smuggled these back to the States by the case.

I don’t mind 4x but VB, well, I’m not a fan haha! All our mainstream lagers just use plain old cane sugar, cheap and available here.

Yeah, when I was in Australia I noticed a distinct disdain for it.

[fredthecat]

We are planning a trip to europe now that we are vaccinated and some travel restrictions are lifted. Definitely looking forward to doing some serious beer drinking

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cool, i put off a europe trip due to covid, but am really interested in traveling again. hope it goes well, im not looking forward to potential restrictions.

[Village Taphouse]

I've had a few of those beers including the Zwickel from Urban Chestnut and the Helles from Wibby.  Actually, all of the Urban Chestnut lagers are fantastic and they come in this can that opens all the way open... the entire top comes off, not just a small opening.  Their Pils is very nice as well.  What if craft breweries just picked up where many US macros left off prior to WW2?  What if thousands of craft breweries across the US made delicious gold lagers for the masses that kicked Bud Light right in the pants?  These beers should not be confused with wimpy, fizzy gold lagers because they're better than that.  A rich, full-tasting gold lager with some hop presence is one reason why I brew and I love to see craft breweries concentrate on that as opposed to triple IPAs, 12% Belgians and Doughnut Stouts.