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Offline SteveSD

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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2021, 09:12:49 PM »
Short of a long story I find myself with a bunch of overtime on my hands and I'm tired of filling up growlers for my buddies down at the union hall.

Looking for some insight on a canner/seamer for my home brew if anybody has any suggestions or experiences I'd appreciate it.

Looking to do 12 oz and 16oz cans

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I started canning my beer a little over a year ago, I luv it.
Every supplier was out of cans back then due to massive orders by local breweries, since suddenly to go orders was the norm.

A few things to consider; 
Canning is all about the can size, height and neck width, and which dies you have to fit your canner. Most 12 or 16 oz are 202 or 200 neck size.  Most canners do not accept that size.
Thus the new "beverage" canners on the market.

Make sure you can (see that) get a supply of cans that you can handle, some only sell by the pallet.  To be fair most places that sell the canner will sell cans that fit it too, but not all.

I had to start out filling soup cans, which was kinda nostalgic as I produced the old WWII (or MASH) type beers that had to be opened with a church key.  Luckily the demand eased up and I now can get crowlers with an easy open top.

I like cans.  They allow them on the golf course, they are easier to share.  Mine cost $1.57 each, so being a crowler means I have to share less than if they were 12oz.
Watch a few videos about canning on foam to keep the oxygen out and they last as long as bottled.
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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2021, 09:26:06 PM »
I heard that these were around $1500 awhile back, then $800 and now $450 or so.  I believe some resourceful brewers have found a way to incorporate CO2 into the canning process to get things as low-O2 as possible and I also believe that if a beer is properly canned it is better protected/sealed than it would be in a bottle.  Better at keeping light out as well.   I have rubbed my chin about it but honestly... I don't package much beer outside of kegs and some brewers I know who own canners have not canned anything in a long time. 
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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2021, 09:42:45 PM »
I heard that these were around $1500 awhile back, then $800 and now $450 or so.  I believe some resourceful brewers have found a way to incorporate CO2 into the canning process to get things as low-O2 as possible and I also believe that if a beer is properly canned it is better protected/sealed than it would be in a bottle.  Better at keeping light out as well.   I have rubbed my chin about it but honestly... I don't package much beer outside of kegs and some brewers I know who own canners have not canned anything in a long time.
The basic canner doesn’t seem overly complex. I think the early adopters were just paying for design and tooling. 

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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2021, 01:34:07 PM »
I heard that these were around $1500 awhile back, then $800 and now $450 or so.  I believe some resourceful brewers have found a way to incorporate CO2 into the canning process to get things as low-O2 as possible and I also believe that if a beer is properly canned it is better protected/sealed than it would be in a bottle.  Better at keeping light out as well.   I have rubbed my chin about it but honestly... I don't package much beer outside of kegs and some brewers I know who own canners have not canned anything in a long time.
The basic canner doesn’t seem overly complex. I think the early adopters were just paying for design and tooling.
That makes sense.  Like the first flatscreen TV that I bought in 2006 was a 50" that cost $2000 and then five years later I upgraded to a 65" that cost me $750.  :D

What's the story with the cans?  You order these and I saw something the other day about how most places want to sell you "at least a pallet" of cans.  What does that look like and what does it cost?  Also, how are brewers getting the beer into the can in the first place?  It seems like that is a big part of the equation.  And... could a person "prime" a beer with priming sugar and then can the beer just as one might have done in the old days with bottles?  I really don't know why I am interested in this.  I don't package and I certainly don't need any more brewing equipment. 
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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2021, 02:45:08 PM »
I heard that these were around $1500 awhile back, then $800 and now $450 or so.  I believe some resourceful brewers have found a way to incorporate CO2 into the canning process to get things as low-O2 as possible and I also believe that if a beer is properly canned it is better protected/sealed than it would be in a bottle.  Better at keeping light out as well.   I have rubbed my chin about it but honestly... I don't package much beer outside of kegs and some brewers I know who own canners have not canned anything in a long time.
The basic canner doesn’t seem overly complex. I think the early adopters were just paying for design and tooling.
That makes sense.  Like the first flatscreen TV that I bought in 2006 was a 50" that cost $2000 and then five years later I upgraded to a 65" that cost me $750.  :D

What's the story with the cans?  You order these and I saw something the other day about how most places want to sell you "at least a pallet" of cans.  What does that look like and what does it cost?  Also, how are brewers getting the beer into the can in the first place?  It seems like that is a big part of the equation.  And... could a person "prime" a beer with priming sugar and then can the beer just as one might have done in the old days with bottles?  I really don't know why I am interested in this.  I don't package and I certainly don't need any more brewing equipment.
The can shortage is related to the pandemic. People staying home started buying more canned drinks and less restaurant soda (bag in box) and more canned beer and less kegged beer.  The minimum orders are related to that and just shipping in general probably. Some of that should go away as the country opens back up. There are resellers selling cans in smaller amounts. Maybe that’s a side business for you. Ken’s IT and cans.

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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2021, 02:45:42 PM »
There are a bunch of videos on this youtube channel about canning and purging. Backed up with professional in process meters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofKVcP_uM1E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzSqHBa_BtA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qLWLSLguj8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFzkE-p4zhA

A dated blog post, but has TPO numbers.
https://www.themodernbrewhouse.com/packaging-canning-beer-home/
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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2021, 06:47:12 PM »
Interesting links.



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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2021, 01:33:17 AM »
The one thing to look into with the canular is that the seamer can only seam their own proprietary cans. Idk if the bottom or top seaming mechanism is different than others. I’ve use a Oktober seamer that is fairly easy to use once you get the hang of the lever sequence. Cans are can be sourced through eBay I think I paid $75 for 106 16oz cans and lids, also was able to get them from a local brewery. As for purging CO2 and limiting oxidation, lower bottle pressure to around 4psi and purge the keg. I use a tap cooler counter pressure bottle filler to purge the can and then fill using the tap cooler. I let the can fill till it over flows a bit to limit the amount of foam, then drop a lid and seam the can. I’ll be canning a couple beers this weekend and I can share pics of the process.


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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2021, 01:49:07 AM »
That would be greatly appreciated. Does anybody have an idea where the cannular is manufactured?

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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2021, 02:52:58 AM »
That really would be greatly appreciated. 

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Does anybody have an idea where the cannular is manufactured?

Kegland is an Australian company and I just went onto their website and asked where the Cannular is manufactured.  I'll let you know if I get an answer. 
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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2021, 09:11:27 AM »
Thank you, I had sent an email to morebeer and had not received a reply.

Those oktober brand canners are slick looking too!

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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2021, 12:13:50 PM »
That really would be greatly appreciated. 

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Does anybody have an idea where the cannular is manufactured?

Kegland is an Australian company and I just went onto their website and asked where the Cannular is manufactured.  I'll let you know if I get an answer.
Cannular is made in China.

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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2021, 12:38:27 PM »
Ken from Chicago. 
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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2021, 02:20:08 PM »
Thank you Ken! I was suspicious where most canners are 700-900 dollars and thus one was half the price

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Re: A canning machine for homebrew.
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2021, 11:33:51 PM »
Sorry, for the delay. Here’s a few pics of the process. I use a tap cooler counter pressure bottle filler that’s hooked up to a spare tank @10psi to purge the can. Once the can is purged, I fill the can to the brim and let it pour over a tiny bit, so there’s no foam between the lid and the liquid before seaming it.






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