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"Lager Stout" ???
« on: July 04, 2021, 11:04:26 pm »
I stumbled across a funny beer label on the internet for a "Pure Lager Stout". 

http://www.vblcs.com/images/labels/vic/6.18/3.png

I've done some googling, but so far I haven't found any details about what a lager stout would be.  There's a mention of the term without further description in a table in an article on Shut Up About Barklay Perkins: http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2015/12/branded-lager-in-1953.html

Anybody got a source for a better description of this style?
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2021, 08:39:27 am »
Just like a Baltic Porter, a stout fermented with lager yeast is merely using lager yeast with an ale style.  It can be quite good.  A local brewery does this with a coffee Porter and it is quite flavorful.
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2021, 09:40:15 am »
Just like a Baltic Porter, a stout fermented with lager yeast is merely using lager yeast with an ale style.  It can be quite good.  A local brewery does this with a coffee Porter and it is quite flavorful.

Seems like it's a safe assumption that it's a stout made with lager yeast, but we don't really know.
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2021, 11:03:36 am »
Agreed.  I suppose it could be an imperial lager of some sort.  But if I were to bet, it’s probably just a stout fermented with lager yeast…
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2021, 12:04:34 pm »
Agreed.  I suppose it could be an imperial lager of some sort.  But if I were to bet, it’s probably just a stout fermented with lager yeast…

And maybe lagered
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2021, 12:11:45 pm »
Agreed.  I suppose it could be an imperial lager of some sort.  But if I were to bet, it’s probably just a stout fermented with lager yeast…

And maybe lagered

Yeah, my first assumption was something analogous to a Baltic Porter ... like a roastier Schwartzbier or something. I found a couple mentions on the Aussie Homebrewers forum that seem to be referring to just that -- a stout with lager yeast.

But I was just hoping to find a historical reference to confirm my assumptions.
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2021, 12:59:49 pm »
Is this like a white stout? ;-)
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2021, 02:06:23 pm »
Is this like a white stout? ;-)

 ;D

Ooh, a white stout lager. Maybe a sour milkshake white stout lager!
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2021, 04:21:35 pm »
Although I haven't had one or seen it for many years, one of my favorite stouts was a "Lager Stout" from Australia.

Sheaf Stout. Most excellent tipple.

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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2021, 04:34:08 pm »
Aussies do things differently. It's the Southern Hemisphere, after all. Up is down, and left is sideways ;D

Of course, you can get away with calling anything a lager these days, depending on what yeast you use and/or what temp you ferment at.

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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2021, 06:22:39 pm »
Is this like a white stout? ;-)

 ;D

Ooh, a white stout lager. Maybe a sour milkshake white stout lager!

Barrel-aged sour milkshake white stout lager on nitrogen!

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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2021, 06:23:14 pm »
Although I haven't had one or seen it for many years, one of my favorite stouts was a "Lager Stout" from Australia.

Sheaf Stout. Most excellent tipple.

This was an Aussie label, too. But from the turn of the last century.  Maybe the style was peculiar to the continent.
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2021, 06:25:45 pm »
Is this like a white stout? ;-)

 ;D

Ooh, a white stout lager. Maybe a sour milkshake white stout lager!

Barrel-aged sour milkshake white stout lager on nitrogen!

Thai Cherry Bourbon-barrel-aged tropical sour milkshake white stout lager on nitrogen!
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2021, 06:55:25 pm »
Thai Cherry Bourbon-barrel-aged tropical sour milkshake white stout lager on nitrogen
7.6% / 20.8 °P
Recipe by
Drewch

All Grain

BIAB (4L - No sparge)
75% efficiency

Batch Volume: 4 L

Vitals
Original Gravity: 1.077
Total Gravity: 1.086
Final Gravity: 1.023
IBU (Tinseth): 25
BU/GU: 0.29
Color: 5 SRM


Mash
Strike Temp — 72.1 °C
Temperature — 68 °C — 30 min

Malts (1.2 kg)
1 kg (48.8%) — Pilsner — Grain — 2.4 °L
100 g (4.9%) — Oats, Flaked — Grain — 1.3 °L
100 g (4.9%) — Wheat Flaked — Grain — 1.7 °L
100 g (4.9%) — Milk Sugar (Lactose) — Sugar — 0 °L

Souring
Kettle sour with your favorite lacto before boiling

Hops (40 g)
2 g (15 IBU) — Warrior 15% — First Wort

5 g (5 IBU) — Citra 12% — Aroma — 20 min hopstand
5 g (5 IBU) — Mosaic 12.25% — Aroma — 20 min hopstand

14 g — Citra 12% — Dry Hop — 3 days
14 g — Mosaic 12.25% — Dry Hop — 3 days

Yeasts/Fermentation
Lutra Kveik @ 68F — because who uses lager yeast to make lagers anymore?

Rack onto the following after primary is complete
750 g — Cherry Sweet — Secondary
14 g — Cacao Nibs — Secondary
0.25 items — Vanilla Bean — Secondary
28 g — Whole Coffee Beans — Secondary
1 item — Bourbon-soaked oak spiral — Secondary

Conditioning/Serving
Force-carb with beer gas
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Re: "Lager Stout" ???
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2021, 07:27:33 pm »
For comparison, I'll just leave this here.

https://brtimmermans.be/lambic-and-stout/
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