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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2021, 02:49:06 pm »
You should be just fine as far as bottling goes.

I’m not as big of a fan of S-04 as Dave, but for a Porter, I think you chose…wisely.
I'm a big fan of S-04 when I do a replica of an 1800s porter.
I'm not sure what malt bill would be authentic for an 1800s porter, but I'm calling my latest a "Patriot's Porter" to remember 9/11 with.  It does contain 10% brown malt which all the early porters mostly consisted of.
I use maris otter, brown malt and some black patent; not sure off the top of my head at what percentages.
I really want to give it a go with chevalier heritage malt sometime.
This recipe was part of an online extra for the Mar/Apr 2018 issue of Zymurgy.
Nostalgia Porter: 3 gallons
O G 1.058, F G 1.016, IBUs 64 (±), SRM 28
6 lbs. maris otter
1.5 lbs. brown malt
4 ozs. black patent
Mashed at 152f for 55 minutes
1.5 ozs. home grown goldings at 5.7 AA (±) for 45 minutes
1 oz. h. g. g. for 30 minutes
1 pack S-04
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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2021, 04:33:44 pm »

Here's the porter recipe:

http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2021/08/lets-brew-1886-barclay-perkins-hhd.html

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Nice. 

... https://crispmalt.com/recipes/london-porter/

Those are interesting recipes.

I recently bought the book Homebrew Beer by Greg Hughes. Many of the Brit homebrewers call this the ‘Bible’.

I have a 1.049 OG Brown Porter recipe based on that book planned as my next brew:

83% Pale Malt
6% Brown Malt
7% Dark Crystal Malt (I am using C75)
4% Chocolate Malt (500 SRM)

All First Gold hops. I am having trouble finding fresh First Gold so I am going with 2020 season of EKG.

27.6 IBU at start of boil
2.7 IBU at 10 min

The recipe calls for 1028 but I will most likely use S-04.

For water chemistry I am planning a ‘Hoppy-lite 
Profile’:

Batch Vol: 6.50 gal
Calcium: 109.0 ppm - Magnesium: 0.0 ppm
Sodium: 0.0 ppm - Sulfate: 156.6 ppm
Chloride: 77.3 ppm - Bicarbonate: 0.0 ppm
Residual Alkalinity: -77.9 ppm
Sulfite/Chloride Ratio: 2.02

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That looks good. My English porters are very similar.

I just bought some Crisp Floor Malted Maris Otter. It’s an heirloom variety, so I guess I can call my next Porter 1800’s.

Maris Otter is from the 1960s, did you mean Chevalier malt?

A local brewery has an "Entire Butt" Porter made with diastatic Brown Malt from Sugar Creek Malts. It is a little smokey, don't know what malt variety or wood was used.
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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2021, 05:09:10 pm »

Here's the porter recipe:

http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2021/08/lets-brew-1886-barclay-perkins-hhd.html

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Nice. 

... https://crispmalt.com/recipes/london-porter/

Those are interesting recipes.

I recently bought the book Homebrew Beer by Greg Hughes. Many of the Brit homebrewers call this the ‘Bible’.

I have a 1.049 OG Brown Porter recipe based on that book planned as my next brew:

83% Pale Malt
6% Brown Malt
7% Dark Crystal Malt (I am using C75)
4% Chocolate Malt (500 SRM)

All First Gold hops. I am having trouble finding fresh First Gold so I am going with 2020 season of EKG.

27.6 IBU at start of boil
2.7 IBU at 10 min

The recipe calls for 1028 but I will most likely use S-04.

For water chemistry I am planning a ‘Hoppy-lite 
Profile’:

Batch Vol: 6.50 gal
Calcium: 109.0 ppm - Magnesium: 0.0 ppm
Sodium: 0.0 ppm - Sulfate: 156.6 ppm
Chloride: 77.3 ppm - Bicarbonate: 0.0 ppm
Residual Alkalinity: -77.9 ppm
Sulfite/Chloride Ratio: 2.02

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That looks good. My English porters are very similar.

I just bought some Crisp Floor Malted Maris Otter. It’s an heirloom variety, so I guess I can call my next Porter 1800’s.

Maris Otter is from the 1960s, did you mean Chevalier malt?

A local brewery has an "Entire Butt" Porter made with diastatic Brown Malt from Sugar Creek Malts. It is a little smokey, don't know what malt variety or wood was used.
Well, I guess your right. I just bought some Floor Malted Maris Otter. Crisp does call it an heritage malt. I’ll just have to call my beer something else.

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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2021, 08:14:44 am »
What is diastatic malt?

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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2021, 08:31:51 am »
What is diastatic malt?

Thanks

Malt with enzymes to convert starches to sugar
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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2021, 06:15:53 am »
The 04 yeast did a great job with this recipe.

Fuller’s London Porter clone

(5 gallons/ 19 L, all-grain)
OG = 1.054  FG = 1.014
IBU = 30  SRM = 46  ABV = 5.4%

Ingredients
8.27 lbs. (3.75 kg) Muntons pale ale malt
1 lb. (0.45 kg) crystal malt (75 °L)
1.5 lbs. (0.68 kg) brown malt
0.75 lb. (0.34 kg) chocolate malt
6.25 AAU Fuggle hops (60 min.) (1.3 oz./37 g of 4.7% alpha acids)
3.15 AAU Fuggle hops (15 min.) (0.67 oz./19 g of 4.7% alpha acids)
Wyeast 1968 (London ESB) or White Labs WLP002 (English Ale) or Lallemand London ESB yeast
2/3 cup corn sugar (if priming)

Step by Step
Mash at 153 °F (67 °C) for 60 minutes at mash thickness of 1.3 qts./lb. (2.7 L/kg). Boil for 60 minutes, adding hops at times indicated. Cool wort, transfer to fermenter and pitch yeast. Ferment at 62 °F (17 °C).
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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2021, 07:11:05 am »
The 04 yeast did a great job with this recipe.

Fuller’s London Porter clone

(5 gallons/ 19 L, all-grain)
OG = 1.054  FG = 1.014
IBU = 30  SRM = 46  ABV = 5.4%

Ingredients
8.27 lbs. (3.75 kg) Muntons pale ale malt
1 lb. (0.45 kg) crystal malt (75 °L)
1.5 lbs. (0.68 kg) brown malt
0.75 lb. (0.34 kg) chocolate malt
6.25 AAU Fuggle hops (60 min.) (1.3 oz./37 g of 4.7% alpha acids)
3.15 AAU Fuggle hops (15 min.) (0.67 oz./19 g of 4.7% alpha acids)
Wyeast 1968 (London ESB) or White Labs WLP002 (English Ale) or Lallemand London ESB yeast
2/3 cup corn sugar (if priming)

Step by Step
Mash at 153 °F (67 °C) for 60 minutes at mash thickness of 1.3 qts./lb. (2.7 L/kg). Boil for 60 minutes, adding hops at times indicated. Cool wort, transfer to fermenter and pitch yeast. Ferment at 62 °F (17 °C).

Cool.  It medaled?  I believe it.  S-04 is great.  This appears to be the real recipe out of BYO from about 10 years ago.  I was going to enter the recipe into my database... but it's already there.  :)
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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2021, 12:21:30 pm »
It’s a very similar recipe to the one on pg 169 of Homebrew Beer by Greg Hughes. It is the next beer I plan to brew.



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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2021, 02:10:00 pm »
I’ve also been thinking about brewing a Fuller’s Porter clone. There is an alternate recipe at the link below. They claim it comes from a Fuller’s brewer.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/fullers-recipes-for-esb-pride-chiswick-imperials-neipa-from-the-horses-mouth.642756/page-3

TXFlyGuy’s looks good too though.

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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2021, 04:54:30 pm »
The 04 yeast did a great job with this recipe.

Fuller’s London Porter clone

(5 gallons/ 19 L, all-grain)
OG = 1.054  FG = 1.014
IBU = 30  SRM = 46  ABV = 5.4%

Ingredients
8.27 lbs. (3.75 kg) Muntons pale ale malt
1 lb. (0.45 kg) crystal malt (75 °L)
1.5 lbs. (0.68 kg) brown malt
0.75 lb. (0.34 kg) chocolate malt
6.25 AAU Fuggle hops (60 min.) (1.3 oz./37 g of 4.7% alpha acids)
3.15 AAU Fuggle hops (15 min.) (0.67 oz./19 g of 4.7% alpha acids)
Wyeast 1968 (London ESB) or White Labs WLP002 (English Ale) or Lallemand London ESB yeast
2/3 cup corn sugar (if priming)

Step by Step
Mash at 153 °F (67 °C) for 60 minutes at mash thickness of 1.3 qts./lb. (2.7 L/kg). Boil for 60 minutes, adding hops at times indicated. Cool wort, transfer to fermenter and pitch yeast. Ferment at 62 °F (17 °C).

Cool.  It medaled?  I believe it.  S-04 is great.  This appears to be the real recipe out of BYO from about 10 years ago.  I was going to enter the recipe into my database... but it's already there.  :)

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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2021, 05:36:17 pm »
Curious as to what Brown malt you are all using.  I ask because I’ve only ever used that from Crisp, and they suggest using it “up to 5%”.  Tasting it in a mini-mash, I would have to agree with that percentage as the flavor can get toasty and overpowering pretty quick.
https://crispmalt.com/malts/brown-malt/

The Fuller’s Porter recipe above has the Brown malt at 13%, and another 6.5% of some undefined Chocolate to boot.  Not saying that the recipe isn’t good - I’m sure it is - just wondering if the secret there is defining the Brown and Chocolate a bit better.

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Re: US 04 vs US05
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2021, 05:28:02 am »
Curious as to what Brown malt you are all using.  I ask because I’ve only ever used that from Crisp, and they suggest using it “up to 5%”.  Tasting it in a mini-mash, I would have to agree with that percentage as the flavor can get toasty and overpowering pretty quick.
https://crispmalt.com/malts/brown-malt/

The Fuller’s Porter recipe above has the Brown malt at 13%, and another 6.5% of some undefined Chocolate to boot.  Not saying that the recipe isn’t good - I’m sure it is - just wondering if the secret there is defining the Brown and Chocolate a bit better.

How much brown malt to use is a matter of each individual's taste.  I recently used ~10% of Crisp brown malt in a porter I made and think it's the best porter I've ever brewed. In Mastering Homebrew, Randy Mosher writes that brown malt can be used at 20% or higher in porters.

Unfortunately, it will be hard for me to exactly duplicate the malt bill for this recipe, because my scale absolutely died (even new batteries didn't help) and I had to estimate the amounts of some of the ingredients.
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