[Saccharomyces]

Has anyone co-pitched US-05 and S-04?  I picked up a package of each while doing my domestic base malt run yesterday.   I wonder if the combination would have the attenuation level of US-05 and the flocculation of S-04?  I know how to keep S-04 in check, but I want a fruity beer with a dry finish and S-04 tends to poop out at 75% AA.  I want 80% AA.  That is not difficult with US-05.

[dannyjed]

I have never used both before at the same time. I never cared for S-04 and haven’t used it in over 10 years. I used S-05 much more, but not recently. I always got 80% or higher attenuation with 05. Not sure how it would work in tandem with O4, but sounds like an interesting experiment.


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[BrewBama]

I have been using Brutzyme to lower my FG.  I haven’t used it with -04 yet but I can vouch for it with Bry-97.

The MoreBeer pitch: “Amyloglucosidase, alpha amylase, and pullulanase enable the hydrolysis of starch and dextrins into fermentable sugars that yeast can ferment.”

It definitely dries the beer out. The results are crisp and clean. I am getting ~90%+AA which allows me to start lower so I get a low(er) carb beer. The Festbier I have on tap is ~8g carbs per 12 oz for a ~5% beer. My amber on deck is ~7g carbs in a 12 oz pour for a ~6% ABV beer.






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[dmtaylor]

For my last several batches with S-04, they have attenuated to 78-80%.  This seems to be a different and much cleaner strain than it was historically.  Like the manufacturer pulled some kind of switcheroo on us.

So I don't think you'll get much benefit from S-04 actually in a co-pitch.  If anything, I find the new S-04 to be even cleaner and more lager-like than US-05, so it could be an even cleaner version of the beer than you might get from US-05 alone.

[Fire Rooster]

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[denny]

For my last several batches with S-04, they have attenuated to 78-80%.  This seems to be a different and much cleaner strain than it was historically.  Like the manufacturer pulled some kind of switcheroo on us.

So I don't think you'll get much benefit from S-04 actually in a co-pitch.  If anything, I find the new S-04 to be even cleaner and more lager-like than US-05, so it could be an even cleaner version of the beer than you might get from US-05 alone.

You keep saying "new" S04.  I'd like some confirmation from the company before I can accept that.

[dmtaylor]

For my last several batches with S-04, they have attenuated to 78-80%.  This seems to be a different and much cleaner strain than it was historically.  Like the manufacturer pulled some kind of switcheroo on us.

So I don't think you'll get much benefit from S-04 actually in a co-pitch.  If anything, I find the new S-04 to be even cleaner and more lager-like than US-05, so it could be an even cleaner version of the beer than you might get from US-05 alone.

You keep saying "new" S04.  I'd like some confirmation from the company before I can accept that.

Wouldn't we all like to know what's going on with this yeast.  All I know is, it performs differently than it did in the past.  And it's not just me; I've heard the same from others.

[denny]

For my last several batches with S-04, they have attenuated to 78-80%.  This seems to be a different and much cleaner strain than it was historically.  Like the manufacturer pulled some kind of switcheroo on us.

So I don't think you'll get much benefit from S-04 actually in a co-pitch.  If anything, I find the new S-04 to be even cleaner and more lager-like than US-05, so it could be an even cleaner version of the beer than you might get from US-05 alone.

You keep saying "new" S04.  I'd like some confirmation from the company before I can accept that.

Wouldn't we all like to know what's going on with this yeast.  All I know is, it performs differently than it did in the past.  And it's not just me; I've heard the same from others.

So why not contact Fermentis and ask them rather than speculation and rumor?

[Iliff Ave]

S-04 has always performed reliably for me and I haven't noticed any change. I have always found it to be "clean" but I like to ferment it cool. For me it starts to get a bit funky at or above 67F or so.

[BrewBama]

+1. I never had an issue with -04 in my English styles. I’ve used it many times over the years and still use it. I have a Porter on tap now with -04. Very reliably consistent beers made with it over the years.  I haven’t noticed any change.

…but I brew beer to drink. I don’t really analyze the beer from year to year. I can’t remember what I had for supper last night much less what the nuances of three batches of beer in the past were.  I keep notes but my descriptions don’t go into that level of detail.



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[dmtaylor]

For my last several batches with S-04, they have attenuated to 78-80%.  This seems to be a different and much cleaner strain than it was historically.  Like the manufacturer pulled some kind of switcheroo on us.

So I don't think you'll get much benefit from S-04 actually in a co-pitch.  If anything, I find the new S-04 to be even cleaner and more lager-like than US-05, so it could be an even cleaner version of the beer than you might get from US-05 alone.

You keep saying "new" S04.  I'd like some confirmation from the company before I can accept that.

Wouldn't we all like to know what's going on with this yeast.  All I know is, it performs differently than it did in the past.  And it's not just me; I've heard the same from others.

So why not contact Fermentis and ask them rather than speculation and rumor?

1) I don't care that much.
2) I don't speak French.
3) I'm lazy.
4) I don't trust yeast manufacturers to tell the truth anyway.

[denny]

For my last several batches with S-04, they have attenuated to 78-80%.  This seems to be a different and much cleaner strain than it was historically.  Like the manufacturer pulled some kind of switcheroo on us.

So I don't think you'll get much benefit from S-04 actually in a co-pitch.  If anything, I find the new S-04 to be even cleaner and more lager-like than US-05, so it could be an even cleaner version of the beer than you might get from US-05 alone.

You keep saying "new" S04.  I'd like some confirmation from the company before I can accept that.

Wouldn't we all like to know what's going on with this yeast.  All I know is, it performs differently than it did in the past.  And it's not just me; I've heard the same from others.

So why not contact Fermentis and ask them rather than speculation and rumor?

1) I don't care that much.
2) I don't speak French.
3) I'm lazy.
4) I don't trust yeast manufacturers to tell the truth anyway.

They have no reason to not tell you the truth.

[BrewBama]

1) I don't care that much.
2) I don't speak French.
3) I'm lazy.
4) I don't trust yeast manufacturers to tell the truth anyway.

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[Iliff Ave]

Fermentis would probably tell you it’s a great English strain that makes really nice Belgian beers…

[Oiscout]

For my last several batches with S-04, they have attenuated to 78-80%.  This seems to be a different and much cleaner strain than it was historically.  Like the manufacturer pulled some kind of switcheroo on us.

So I don't think you'll get much benefit from S-04 actually in a co-pitch.  If anything, I find the new S-04 to be even cleaner and more lager-like than US-05, so it could be an even cleaner version of the beer than you might get from US-05 alone.

You keep saying "new" S04.  I'd like some confirmation from the company before I can accept that.

Wouldn't we all like to know what's going on with this yeast.  All I know is, it performs differently than it did in the past.  And it's not just me; I've heard the same from others.

So why not contact Fermentis and ask them rather than speculation and rumor?

1) I don't care that much.
2) I don't speak French.
3) I'm lazy.
4) I don't trust yeast manufacturers to tell the truth anyway.

Lol


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