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Offline Bel Air Brewing

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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #90 on: July 27, 2022, 01:13:05 pm »
It is always hard to accept that there may have been better beers on the table. I tell myself I need to up my game.

No, we fully accept that might have been better beer there. No question.

I find it interesting that the taste panel who sampled my entries this week disagreed with the BJCP judges, on all but one account. And that is the main point being made.

My goal is to make better beer. And I am doing that right now!

But just because they disagreed, does that necessarily mean they were more correct?

They were most certainly more correct...at least on the samples we had saved.

Two comments that were way off, on the color of the Festbier. They said it was too dark, and showed that as a flaw. Even comparing to a Marzen. That is total horse manure.

Another incorrect comment was on a "cardboard" flavor. One other was "under attenuated". Not correct at all. At least not in the bottles we had here.

One comment was the Helles drank like a Pilsner. None of us agreed.

But that is what happens when you as a judge are pressured by time constraints, and rushing to evaluate beers.

I am not faulting any judge, because I know what they were up against. I am faulting the system.

Those that sampled the beers on the panel here are brutal in their judging. They have looked me in the eye, and told me in the past my beer was flawed, and not to enter it in a competition.
love ya bud but....
there's so many logical fallacy's and thinking errors in this post I really don't know where to begin.

Oh...I guess you were at the round table beer evaluation? Funny, we do not recall meeting you!

The info is coming from BJCP folks who were there. You don't have to believe me. Just the messenger.

This was an AHA sponsored event. It only stands to reason the those affiliated with the AHA are going to get defensive over these issues when they are made known.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2022, 01:26:58 pm by Bel Air Brewing »
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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #91 on: July 27, 2022, 01:14:21 pm »
And Dave was a brewer at Community Brewing, in Austin.

I thought Community only brewed out of their Dallas location? I know they sell in the Austin market but didn't realize they had a facility down there, too.

Stand by for clarification...

My error, Rogness Brewing Company.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2022, 01:23:46 pm by Bel Air Brewing »
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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #92 on: July 27, 2022, 01:28:42 pm »
It is always hard to accept that there may have been better beers on the table. I tell myself I need to up my game.

No, we fully accept that might have been better beer there. No question.

I find it interesting that the taste panel who sampled my entries this week disagreed with the BJCP judges, on all but one account. And that is the main point being made.

My goal is to make better beer. And I am doing that right now!

But just because they disagreed, does that necessarily mean they were more correct?

They were most certainly more correct...at least on the samples we had saved.

Two comments that were way off, on the color of the Festbier. They said it was too dark, and showed that as a flaw. Even comparing to a Marzen. That is total horse manure.

Another incorrect comment was on a "cardboard" flavor. One other was "under attenuated". Not correct at all. At least not in the bottles we had here.

One comment was the Helles drank like a Pilsner. None of us agreed.

But that is what happens when you as a judge are pressured by time constraints, and rushing to evaluate beers.

I am not faulting any judge, because I know what they were up against. I am faulting the system.

Those that sampled the beers on the panel here are brutal in their judging. They have looked me in the eye, and told me in the past my beer was flawed, and not to enter it in a competition.
love ya bud but....
there's so many logical fallacy's and thinking errors in this post I really don't know where to begin.

Oh...I guess you were at the round table beer evaluation? Funny, we do not recall meeting you!

The info is coming from BJCP folks who were there. You don't have to believe me. Just the messenger.

This was an AHA sponsored event. It only stands to reason the those affiliated with the AHA are going to get defensive over these issues when they are made known.

Oh, come on.  For one thing I am no longer "AHA affiliated" other than being a member. But the real issue is that I've heard all this before.
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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #93 on: July 27, 2022, 03:46:53 pm »
Agreed.

As it is now painfully obvious, collectively we can only hope that the AHA-NHC will recognize their logistical shortcomings, and address them prior to 2023.

We as brewers are constantly trying to "up our game".

Perhaps it's time for the AHA to take a good hard look at this, and realize it's not all about money, and "up their game".
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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #94 on: July 27, 2022, 04:18:43 pm »
Agreed.

As it is now painfully obvious, collectively we can only hope that the AHA-NHC will recognize their logistical shortcomings, and address them prior to 2023.

We as brewers are constantly trying to "up our game".

Perhaps it's time for the AHA to take a good hard look at this, and realize it's not all about money, and "up their game".
I have been involved with NHC as an entrant, a judge, a steward, a regional judge director, a final round competition organizer and a regional organizer.
1) the AHA is not in this for the money. 
2) poor evaluations don’t necessarily result from rushed judges
3) all palates are different
4) in a flight of 8 beers 6 or 7 will not move forward
5) the NHC is not about feedback, it’s about winning

That said, I think the AHA is always trying to improve the competition.  Perhaps you could email them some suggestions for improvement.
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« Reply #95 on: July 27, 2022, 07:42:00 pm »
I wouldn’t worry about the nhc anymore since you have your round table suited to your needs.
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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #96 on: July 27, 2022, 07:53:14 pm »
Agreed.

As it is now painfully obvious, collectively we can only hope that the AHA-NHC will recognize their logistical shortcomings, and address them prior to 2023.

We as brewers are constantly trying to "up our game".

Perhaps it's time for the AHA to take a good hard look at this, and realize it's not all about money, and "up their game".
Do you really believe that if the judges took more time you would have medaled? I doubt it. I don’t need a lot of time to pick the best beer from a flight. If your beer didn’t make it, it didn’t make it. NHC is tough. It’s not a regular competition.

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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #97 on: July 28, 2022, 07:48:40 am »
I think that there is room to step back and think about how your beer is evaluated in a competition (blind to who is the brewer, their recipe, etc) and how you and your friends may evaluate the same beer (not blind).  Judging beer is not easy.  Judges volunteer their time to train to be certified, to evaluate beer, and to give feedback when possible.  Many folks that organize competitions and run them are volunteer as well.  Everyone is trying their best to be fair- be careful to not to assume otherwise.  At the end of the day, it's homebrewing...

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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #98 on: July 28, 2022, 07:52:44 am »
Agreed.

As it is now painfully obvious, collectively we can only hope that the AHA-NHC will recognize their logistical shortcomings, and address them prior to 2023.

We as brewers are constantly trying to "up our game".

Perhaps it's time for the AHA to take a good hard look at this, and realize it's not all about money, and "up their game".
I have been involved with NHC as an entrant, a judge, a steward, a regional judge director, a final round competition organizer and a regional organizer.
1) the AHA is not in this for the money. 
2) poor evaluations don’t necessarily result from rushed judges
3) all palates are different
4) in a flight of 8 beers 6 or 7 will not move forward
5) the NHC is not about feedback, it’s about winning

That said, I think the AHA is always trying to improve the competition.  Perhaps you could email them some suggestions for improvement.

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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #99 on: July 28, 2022, 07:53:26 am »
Agreed.

As it is now painfully obvious, collectively we can only hope that the AHA-NHC will recognize their logistical shortcomings, and address them prior to 2023.

We as brewers are constantly trying to "up our game".

Perhaps it's time for the AHA to take a good hard look at this, and realize it's not all about money, and "up their game".
I have been involved with NHC as an entrant, a judge, a steward, a regional judge director, a final round competition organizer and a regional organizer.
1) the AHA is not in this for the money. 
2) poor evaluations don’t necessarily result from rushed judges
3) all palates are different
4) in a flight of 8 beers 6 or 7 will not move forward
5) the NHC is not about feedback, it’s about winning

That said, I think the AHA is always trying to improve the competition.  Perhaps you could email them some suggestions for improvement.

You did best of show one year too.

I agree with the suggestion to email the AHA.
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Re: Entries for NHC
« Reply #100 on: July 28, 2022, 05:59:07 pm »
Jeez I miss the days of people complaining about rebrewing for second round.

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