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Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« on: September 22, 2010, 03:02:10 PM »
Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep? The product states "No Rinse", but I'm not sure I trust all my hard work to it. It makes the water solution very slimy feeling and dries leaving a white residue. It also has a chemical taste in solution but perhaps that goes away when it is dry. I currently am rinsing my bottles after OneStep and then I use the oven to do final sterilization. I would hate for the product to add a chemical taste or have an affect on the yeast that is bottle conditiong my beer. Any one know for sure it's OK to not rinse?

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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 03:06:53 PM »
Chemically, I can't tell you.

Experience, it's fine.

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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 03:26:49 PM »
Of course I am wondering whether it will hurt the BEER, not me.......... ;D

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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 07:31:28 PM »
Switch to Starsan and have nothing to worry about.
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 11:28:21 PM »
Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep? The product states "No Rinse", but I'm not sure I trust all my hard work to it. It makes the water solution very slimy feeling and dries leaving a white residue. It also has a chemical taste in solution but perhaps that goes away when it is dry. I currently am rinsing my bottles after OneStep and then I use the oven to do final sterilization. I would hate for the product to add a chemical taste or have an affect on the yeast that is bottle conditiong my beer. Any one know for sure it's OK to not rinse?

I never liked it because of the residue and found myself asking the same questions. Starsan is excellent and I use it almost exclusively. The exception is that when I bottle I use Iodophor.
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 04:04:02 AM »
I've been using it for years - it's what Mr.Beer teaches you to use.
I have for the past year or so been additionally using iodophor or starsan, mostly out of paranoia.
Found this out there.

"One-step: One-step releases oxygen into solution in a way that
forms hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide kills bacteria and other
infectious organisms. Hydrogen peroxide then degrades into water
and oxygen and the only residue is a thin film of minerals that are
naturally found in most water supplies. One-step is not labeled
as a sanitizer because the producer has not chosen to apply with
the FDA for that designation. One step is mixed at one tbsp. per
gallon of warm water. One-step should not be used with hard water
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2010, 05:59:16 AM »
One-Step is the only product I have ever used to sanitize (without rinsing). I've brewed 90+ batches since 2005 without any sanitation issues (knock on wood). The key is not using too much. The residue is the result of oversaturating the sanitizing water.
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 07:50:31 AM »
I use one-step.  Drain/shake out any excess.  No problems.
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 11:52:28 AM »
I use one-step.  Drain/shake out any excess.  No problems.

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I used it for years with no issues.  I haven't bottled in a few years (use kegs for everything lately) but would use it again if I started bottling.

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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2010, 05:55:28 PM »
I have used onestep and starsan and like them both. 

My thought is that if you are using heat as a final sanitizer, and are rinsing the one-step... you may consider using a "better" clenser that needs to be rinsed to get the full benefit of the cleaning step.   However, if you are considering moveing away from the heat step, then keep useing either One Step or Star San (and don't rinse after) and you will be fine.

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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 06:14:42 PM »
I
"One-step: One-step releases oxygen into solution in a way that
forms hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide kills bacteria and other
infectious organisms. Hydrogen peroxide then degrades into water
and oxygen and the only residue is a thin film of minerals that are
naturally found in most water supplies. One-step is not labeled
as a sanitizer because the producer has not chosen to apply with
the FDA for that designation. One step is mixed at one tbsp. per
gallon of warm water. One-step should not be used with hard water

This jogged some memories.  Scroll down to the post by Rick Theiner.
http://hbd.org/hbd/archive/5471.html#5471-4
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2010, 06:22:36 PM »
I've used one step and it worked fine.  I've use other no rinse sanitizers.  One step ends up costing much more.

I make five gallons of starsan with RO and it will last for months. I prefer iodophor over starsan for bottling due to the foam. I use it only for a few hours. It's still more cost effective than one step.

The only reason I tried one step was to see how effective it was as a cleaner. Generic oxi-clean with a little TSP substitute works better and are very inexpensive.
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2010, 08:13:02 PM »
So is it okay not to rinse out the bubbles left by starsan from bottles? And i might have to try this iodophor next time.

Oh, and what is a TSP substitute?
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2010, 09:01:53 PM »
Yes, leaving the starsan bubbles in the bottles is fine.  There is some question I guess whether those bubbles contain enough oxygen to be detrimental to the beer (Kaiser).  But that's what I usually do.

I did try baking some bottles though recently for this reason.  I haven't used them yet but it was pretty painless and I may do that again in the future.
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Re: Is it really OK to not rinse OneStep out of bottles?
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2010, 06:53:53 AM »
So is it okay not to rinse out the bubbles left by starsan from bottles? And i might have to try this iodophor next time.

Oh, and what is a TSP substitute?

The foam just makes it more difficult to see when the bottles are full.

TSP is trisodium phosphate and once was used in dish soap and laundry detergent. The phosphates over fertilized lakes and streams. The substitute is sodium metasilicate. It is defiantly is not a no rinse cleaner, but it is very effective. It's widely used to prep for painting.