Author Topic: Irish Red Ale  (Read 1841 times)

Offline jeffy

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 4086
  • Tampa, Fl
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2022, 01:04:52 pm »
Here is the recipe that my friend sent me for McG’s Red (sorry if it’s not exactly what you were looking for, but he was indeed the brewer there a couple decades ago and since has been head of production at Cigar City as well as a few other places).  It may have changed since then.  As with any recipe, you can use this as a starting point.
2 row
C60
Chinook 60 mins
Willamette @15 mins and dry hop
OG 1.048-50
FG 1.008-12
SRM 11
IBU 30
ABV 5.5

Jeff Gladish, Tampa (989.3, 175.1 Apparent Rennarian)
Homebrewing since 1990
AHA member since 1991, now a lifetime member
BJCP judge since 1995

Offline Bel Air Brewing

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1356
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2022, 01:12:33 pm »
Here is the recipe that my friend sent me for McG’s Red (sorry if it’s not exactly what you were looking for, but he was indeed the brewer there a couple decades ago and since has been head of production at Cigar City as well as a few other places).  It may have changed since then.  As with any recipe, you can use this as a starting point.
2 row
C60
Chinook 60 mins
Willamette @15 mins and dry hop
OG 1.048-50
FG 1.008-12
SRM 11
IBU 30
ABV 5.5

Thank you! This gives us a great start on the recipe! This is my next brew project. Full report to be posted.
Winning Gold Medals isn't everything, but it sure is fun!

Offline Bel Air Brewing

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1356
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2022, 12:47:41 pm »
Here is what we went with, using the grains on hand in the grain room:

10 gallons

12# Ireks Pale Malt
1# Tex-Malt Pils
4# Ireks Munich
1# Ireks 40*
8 oz Roasted Barley 300*

Single Infusion Mash

3 oz Savinjski Goldings 3.4AA (FWH)

18 IBU

75 Min Boil

OG: 1.049

S-04 London Ale Yeast (1st Gen)
Diamond Lager Yeast Slurry
Winning Gold Medals isn't everything, but it sure is fun!

Offline denny

  • Administrator
  • Retired with too much time on my hands
  • *****
  • Posts: 25714
  • Noti OR [1991.4, 287.6deg] AR
    • Dennybrew
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2022, 01:19:25 pm »
I'll be curious to see what you think of the color. 8 oz. roast seems a lot for a hint of color.
Life begins at 60.....1.060, that is!

www.dennybrew.com

The best, sharpest, funniest, weirdest and most knowledgable minds in home brewing contribute on the AHA forum. - Alewyfe

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Offline ynotbrusum

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 4479
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2022, 01:21:35 pm »
I'll be curious to see what you think of the color. 8 oz. roast seems a lot for a hint of color.

My thoughts, too - maybe 2-4 ounces would work well enough for coloring?
Hodge Garage Brewing: "Brew with a glad heart!"

Offline denny

  • Administrator
  • Retired with too much time on my hands
  • *****
  • Posts: 25714
  • Noti OR [1991.4, 287.6deg] AR
    • Dennybrew
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2022, 01:42:48 pm »
I'll be curious to see what you think of the color. 8 oz. roast seems a lot for a hint of color.

My thoughts, too - maybe 2-4 ounces would work well enough for coloring?

Yeah, I usually use 1 oz./5 gal. for color. 2 tops sometimes.  I'd be worried about it coming out too brown with that much.
Life begins at 60.....1.060, that is!

www.dennybrew.com

The best, sharpest, funniest, weirdest and most knowledgable minds in home brewing contribute on the AHA forum. - Alewyfe

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Offline Bel Air Brewing

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1356
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2022, 02:01:14 pm »
I'll be curious to see what you think of the color. 8 oz. roast seems a lot for a hint of color.

My thoughts, too - maybe 2-4 ounces would work well enough for coloring?

Yeah, I usually use 1 oz./5 gal. for color. 2 tops sometimes.  I'd be worried about it coming out too brown with that much.

The recipes for an Irish Red found on other sites showed as much as 5 oz roasted malt (300*) for 5 gallons.
So we went with 8 ounces for the 13.5 gallon boil volume.

It is not too dark. But I did detect a bit of a roast aroma from the mash.

SRM range: 9 to 18

Ingredients
9.9 lbs. (4.5 kg) Crisp British pale ale malt or similar British pale ale malt
6.0 oz. (170 g) crystal malt (40 °L)
6.0 oz. (170 g) crystal malt (120 °L)
5.0 oz. (142 g) roasted barley (300 °L)
5.25 AAU Kent Golding pellet hops (60 min.) (1.05 oz./30 g at 5% alpha acid)
White Labs WLP004 (Irish Ale), Wyeast 1084 (Irish Ale) or Fermentis Safale US-05 yeast

Ingredients
10 lbs. (4.5 kg) 2-row pale malt
8 oz. (0.22 kg) Carapils® malt
8 oz. (0.22 kg) crystal malt (40 °L)
8 oz. (0.22 kg) crystal malt (75 °L)
3 oz. (85 g) biscuit malt
2 oz. (57 g) chocolate malt (350 °L)
1 oz. (28 g) black malt (600 °L)
« Last Edit: July 20, 2022, 02:35:20 pm by Bel Air Brewing »
Winning Gold Medals isn't everything, but it sure is fun!

Offline tommymorris

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 3539
Irish Red Ale
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2022, 02:38:34 pm »
I'll be curious to see what you think of the color. 8 oz. roast seems a lot for a hint of color.

My thoughts, too - maybe 2-4 ounces would work well enough for coloring?

Yeah, I usually use 1 oz./5 gal. for color. 2 tops sometimes.  I'd be worried about it coming out too brown with that much.

The recipes for an Irish Red found on other sites showed as much as 5 oz roasted malt (300*) for 5 gallons.
So we went with 8 ounces for the 13.5 gallon boil volume.

It is not too dark. But I did detect a bit of a roast aroma from the mash.

Ingredients
9.9 lbs. (4.5 kg) Crisp British pale ale malt or similar British pale ale malt
6.0 oz. (170 g) crystal malt (40 °L)
6.0 oz. (170 g) crystal malt (120 °L)
5.0 oz. (142 g) roasted barley (300 °L)
5.25 AAU Kent Golding pellet hops (60 min.) (1.05 oz./30 g at 5% alpha acid)
White Labs WLP004 (Irish Ale), Wyeast 1084 (Irish Ale) or Fermentis Safale US-05 yeast

Ingredients
10 lbs. (4.5 kg) 2-row pale malt
8 oz. (0.22 kg) Carapils malt
8 oz. (0.22 kg) crystal malt (40 °L)
8 oz. (0.22 kg) crystal malt (75 °L)
3 oz. (85 g) biscuit malt
2 oz. (57 g) chocolate malt (350 °L)
1 oz. (28 g) black malt (600 °L)
I don’t understand your recipe. Are those two separate recipes?

5 oz. of roasted barley or black malt for 5 gallons seems like stout territory to me.  I would expect way lower for a Irish Red, which I think should have much milder roast flavors if any.

Offline Bel Air Brewing

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1356
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2022, 03:08:10 pm »
I'll be curious to see what you think of the color. 8 oz. roast seems a lot for a hint of color.

My thoughts, too - maybe 2-4 ounces would work well enough for coloring?

Yeah, I usually use 1 oz./5 gal. for color. 2 tops sometimes.  I'd be worried about it coming out too brown with that much.

The recipes for an Irish Red found on other sites showed as much as 5 oz roasted malt (300*) for 5 gallons.
So we went with 8 ounces for the 13.5 gallon boil volume.

It is not too dark. But I did detect a bit of a roast aroma from the mash.

Ingredients
9.9 lbs. (4.5 kg) Crisp British pale ale malt or similar British pale ale malt
6.0 oz. (170 g) crystal malt (40 °L)
6.0 oz. (170 g) crystal malt (120 °L)
5.0 oz. (142 g) roasted barley (300 °L)
5.25 AAU Kent Golding pellet hops (60 min.) (1.05 oz./30 g at 5% alpha acid)
White Labs WLP004 (Irish Ale), Wyeast 1084 (Irish Ale) or Fermentis Safale US-05 yeast

Ingredients
10 lbs. (4.5 kg) 2-row pale malt
8 oz. (0.22 kg) Carapils malt
8 oz. (0.22 kg) crystal malt (40 °L)
8 oz. (0.22 kg) crystal malt (75 °L)
3 oz. (85 g) biscuit malt
2 oz. (57 g) chocolate malt (350 °L)
1 oz. (28 g) black malt (600 °L)
I don’t understand your recipe. Are those two separate recipes?

5 oz. of roasted barley or black malt for 5 gallons seems like stout territory to me.  I would expect way lower for a Irish Red, which I think should have much milder roast flavors if any.

Yes, these are just two separate examples of Irish Red recipes I found online.

I used 8 ounces of roast in a 13.5 gallon boil.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2022, 03:31:01 pm by Bel Air Brewing »
Winning Gold Medals isn't everything, but it sure is fun!

Offline Iliff Ave

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 4358
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2022, 04:05:21 pm »
I agree. I would shoot to keep the rb below 2% for sure.
On Tap/Bottled: IPL, Adjunct Vienna, Golden Stout, Honey Lager
Fermenting: IPA
Up Next: mexi lager, Germerican pale ale

Offline pv

  • 1st Kit
  • *
  • Posts: 11
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2022, 04:09:03 pm »
Based on my homegrown calculator and the recipe, I get a final SRM of 13.9.  Seems ok to me.
Upstate South Carolina

Offline Bel Air Brewing

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1356
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2022, 07:07:44 pm »
Based on my homegrown calculator and the recipe, I get a final SRM of 13.9.  Seems ok to me.

That sounds about right, might be 15. But still in the style guidelines, 9 to 18.
Winning Gold Medals isn't everything, but it sure is fun!

Offline Iliff Ave

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 4358
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2022, 07:10:06 pm »
I’m referring more to flavor than color. I bet the color is great
On Tap/Bottled: IPL, Adjunct Vienna, Golden Stout, Honey Lager
Fermenting: IPA
Up Next: mexi lager, Germerican pale ale

Offline Bel Air Brewing

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1356
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2022, 05:52:27 am »
I’m referring more to flavor than color. I bet the color is great

That is a distinct possibility. As I noted a hint of roast aroma while doing the mash. This is a first effort, so it's an experimental trial run. Either way, it should be a decent drinking beer. And I can always give it away, as many friends and neighbors are fans of craft beer.

A learning experience for sure. I got thrown off by the recipes that are published online, particularly BYO.
Winning Gold Medals isn't everything, but it sure is fun!

Offline Bel Air Brewing

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1356
Re: Irish Red Ale
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2022, 11:43:55 am »
Just pulled a small 1.5 oz sample, from the lager (Diamond) under fermentation.

The color is spot on at SRM 15. It is close to a Killian's in color, but lighter.

If there is any roast aroma, or flavor, it is so subtle that it is not really there.

Way too early to tell, but I feel the beer will be good. Will it be an authentic Irish Red? Time will tell.

« Last Edit: July 21, 2022, 12:47:06 pm by Bel Air Brewing »
Winning Gold Medals isn't everything, but it sure is fun!