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Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« on: July 15, 2022, 10:05:49 am »
Brewing up an Irish Red this Sunday.
Probably another split batch, with Diamond Lager and S-04 Yeast.
Does Diamond ferment well at warmer temps, say 60 to 65 degrees?

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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2022, 10:17:15 am »
Brewing up an Irish Red this Sunday.
Probably another split batch, with Diamond Lager and S-04 Yeast.
Does Diamond ferment well at warmer temps, say 60 to 65 degrees?

Yep. Should be OK for that style.
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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2022, 11:33:25 am »
YES, go for it.  Great split batch experiment, I'd be curious to taste the results or hear your tasting notes of the final beers.  Both have performed very cleanly for me in upper 60s or even low 70s.  Both might produce a little sulfur but if so it will age out after a few weeks.  Same with diacetyl, IF it happens.
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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2022, 12:58:47 pm »
YES, go for it.  Great split batch experiment, I'd be curious to taste the results or hear your tasting notes of the final beers.  Both have performed very cleanly for me in upper 60s or even low 70s.  Both might produce a little sulfur but if so it will age out after a few weeks.  Same with diacetyl, IF it happens.
Did the Diamond producer Lager flavors for you when fermented warm?

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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2022, 01:56:08 pm »
YES, go for it.  Great split batch experiment, I'd be curious to taste the results or hear your tasting notes of the final beers.  Both have performed very cleanly for me in upper 60s or even low 70s.  Both might produce a little sulfur but if so it will age out after a few weeks.  Same with diacetyl, IF it happens.
Did the Diamond producer Lager flavors for you when fermented warm?

Assuming we both define lager flavors them same way,  I didn't find that it did as much as at colder temps.
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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2022, 02:14:17 pm »
YES, go for it.  Great split batch experiment, I'd be curious to taste the results or hear your tasting notes of the final beers.  Both have performed very cleanly for me in upper 60s or even low 70s.  Both might produce a little sulfur but if so it will age out after a few weeks.  Same with diacetyl, IF it happens.
Did the Diamond producer Lager flavors for you when fermented warm?

Yes, tastes like good lager.  It might turn around a little faster than when fermented cold, but like I said, might still take a bit of aging before all the sulfur and/or diacetyl age out.  Still, you should be able to get a good "lager" within approximately 4 weeks with it, maybe 5 weeks.
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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2022, 03:34:47 pm »
YES, go for it.  Great split batch experiment, I'd be curious to taste the results or hear your tasting notes of the final beers.  Both have performed very cleanly for me in upper 60s or even low 70s.  Both might produce a little sulfur but if so it will age out after a few weeks.  Same with diacetyl, IF it happens.
Did the Diamond producer Lager flavors for you when fermented warm?

Yes, tastes like good lager.  It might turn around a little faster than when fermented cold, but like I said, might still take a bit of aging before all the sulfur and/or diacetyl age out.  Still, you should be able to get a good "lager" within approximately 4 weeks with it, maybe 5 weeks.

I would swear mine tasted a bit fruity, unlike when I ferment at lower temps.
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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2022, 08:27:04 am »
YES, go for it.  Great split batch experiment, I'd be curious to taste the results or hear your tasting notes of the final beers.  Both have performed very cleanly for me in upper 60s or even low 70s.  Both might produce a little sulfur but if so it will age out after a few weeks.  Same with diacetyl, IF it happens.
Did the Diamond producer Lager flavors for you when fermented warm?

Yes, tastes like good lager.  It might turn around a little faster than when fermented cold, but like I said, might still take a bit of aging before all the sulfur and/or diacetyl age out.  Still, you should be able to get a good "lager" within approximately 4 weeks with it, maybe 5 weeks.

You and Denny both talked me into it. Should be a good experiment. Brewing either tomorrow or Monday morning.
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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2022, 08:43:52 am »
denny and dmtaylor: Thanks much for your comments. The difference in perception (or difference in the actual flavors) is very interesting.

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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2022, 09:09:02 am »
Though not with Diamond (yet), I routinely ferment W34/70 and S-189 at 60°F. I don’t get any off flavors.

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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2022, 10:32:37 am »
Though not with Diamond (yet), I routinely ferment W34/70 and S-189 at 60°F. I don’t get any off flavors.

That is another option, as I have W-34/70 on hand. But since switching to Diamond, with the results we get, 34/70 has not been used in some time.

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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2022, 12:16:33 pm »
The Diamond took off like an Atlas Rocket! Maybe a 6 hour lag, then strong activity.

The London Ale is still getting acclimated to it's new surroundings...

Temp is 62.

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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2022, 01:22:09 pm »
The Diamond took off like an Atlas Rocket! Maybe a 6 hour lag, then strong activity.

The London Ale is still getting acclimated to it's new surroundings...

Temp is 62.

Sounds about right.  The London(? or S-04?) won't be far behind.
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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2022, 02:03:37 pm »
The Diamond took off like an Atlas Rocket! Maybe a 6 hour lag, then strong activity.

The London Ale is still getting acclimated to it's new surroundings...

Temp is 62.

Sounds about right.  The London(? or S-04?) won't be far behind.

Yes, S-04. I think it will kick off any minute now. Signs of positive pressure building in the fermenter.

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Re: Diamond Lager at Ale temps?
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2022, 11:47:31 am »
Update:
Pulled a small sample from the Diamond side, after 3 days fermenting at 62F.

Here are the numbers -

OG: 1.049
FG: 1.009
ABV: 5.39%

That was wicked fast! And yes, it was a harvested slurry, and we over pitch.

This promises to be a very drinkable beer.