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Offline Kevin Albert

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Witty Dutchman Recipe
« on: September 14, 2022, 06:13:54 pm »
Has anyone brewed the Witty Dutchman recipe on the web site? It calls for 5 oz of cracked coriander, which seems like a misprint. 0.5 oz for a 5 gallon batch seems to be in line with the conventional wisdom. The recipe is as follows:

Ingredients:
MALTS
4 lb. (1.81 kg) 2-row Pilsner malt
2 lb. (907 g) white wheat malt
1.5 lb. (680 g) red wheat malt
12 oz. (340 g) yellow flaked corn
4 oz. (113 g) flaked oats

HOPS
0.7 oz. (18 g) Northern Brewer hops, 7% a.a. @ 60 min
WATER

Carbon filtered, targeting a mash pH of 5.2
YEAST

1 package Wyeast 3944 Belgian Witbier

ADDITIONAL ITEMS
1 oz. (28 g) orange peel @ 10 min
5 oz. (142 g) cracked coriander seed @ 5 min
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Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2022, 07:08:56 pm »
I’d probably use the .5 vs 5 oz.

That may be the first time I’ve seen corn in a Wit recipe.
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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2022, 04:59:41 pm »
Thanks BrewBama. First time I have seen flaked corn in a Wit recipe too, but it's a gold medal winner so I figure I'll have a go :) I guess it is safe to start low and sample it when I take gravity readings during fermentation. If for some reason the flaked corn is playing games with the coriander I can always rack it off and add more. I've added coriander to a secondary in a Hoegaarden clone I brewed a while back.
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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2022, 01:41:30 pm »
Hmm... even the printed recipe, in the 2019 September/October issue, shows 5 ounces.

https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/1007513/witty-dutchman

shows 2 ounces.


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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2022, 04:52:39 pm »
Thanks brewthru, nice of you to check that in the hard copy. I saw that the recipe on brewer's friend excludes the red wheat, but still more coriander than a typical Wit recipe. In the end I decided to go with 1.5 oz based on a hoegaarden clone I have done. Brewed it today, the og sample did not taste or smell overwhelmingly like coriander, but of course it's wort not beer. I'll make a decision about adding some coriander in a secondary once primary fermentation is done. I'll post how it comes out, FWIW.
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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2022, 05:21:59 pm »
Just keep in mind coriander is cilantro. Some folks taste soap when they ingest cilantro. To me this was VERY strange when I first heard, but, apparently, it's true.


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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2022, 07:11:26 am »
Thanks brewthru, I will post how it turns out. I'm a big Wit fan and I have done at least a dozen, love the coriander, just never seen any that called for over a quarter of a pound ???. Appreciate all of the links.
 
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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2022, 07:24:26 am »
Just keep in mind coriander is cilantro. Some folks taste soap when they ingest cilantro. To me this was VERY strange when I first heard, but, apparently, it's true.

Coriander seed has quite a different taste than cilantro. It has a warmer, spicier character and much less of the citrus and soap you get with cilantro leaves.
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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2022, 08:35:38 am »
Just keep in mind coriander is cilantro. Some folks taste soap when they ingest cilantro. To me this was VERY strange when I first heard, but, apparently, it's true.

In brewing, coriander refers to the seeds, not the leaves. Completely different flavor. For instance, in witbier coriander is used to get the orange flavor.
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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2022, 02:49:33 pm »
Denny, yes, I understand these are different parts of the plant. However, I mentioned as a friend of mine complained about a "soap" taste after drinking one of my Witbiers. What? At the time I didn't know some taste soap with cilantro and apparently my friend with coriander. No one else drinking the Witbier mentioned noting "soap". I know it wasn't the serving glass.

I only mentioned trying to be helpful.

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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2022, 02:51:15 pm »
Denny, yes, I understand these are different parts of the plant. However, I mentioned as a friend of mine complained about a "soap" taste after drinking one of my Witbiers. What? At the time I didn't know some taste soap with cilantro and apparently my friend with coriander. No one else drinking the Witbier mentioned noting "soap". I know it wasn't the serving glass.

I only mentioned trying to be helpful.

Very interesting. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone else having that reaction.
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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2022, 06:56:22 am »
Hi Denny,
FWIW, my son has that reaction to Cilantro, fortunately I do not, I love the Belgian brews. The way I understand it, people who perceive Cilantro as soap have a smell receptor gene cluster that is sensitive to aldehyde chemicals that are present in both. 

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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2022, 09:34:20 am »
Hi Denny,
FWIW, my son has that reaction to Cilantro, fortunately I do not, I love the Belgian brews. The way I understand it, people who perceive Cilantro as soap have a smell receptor gene cluster that is sensitive to aldehyde chemicals that are present in both. 

Big fan of the podcast you do with Drew.

Thanks for the info and the kind words.
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Re: Witty Dutchman Recipe
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2022, 02:03:03 pm »
I would be highly interested in how a 5 gallon batch with 5 oz. of coriander turns out. Note that I would never try this myself - think 2 oz. would be my ceiling.