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Offline beerphilmcd

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Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« on: October 14, 2022, 07:32:44 am »
Would love feedback as I’m planning a sweet stout, have a recipe fleshed out, but would like some input. I’m probably adding cold brewed coffee at kegging and some vanilla. Thinking of swapping the roasted barley for midnight wheat.


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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2022, 08:43:51 am »
Would love feedback as I’m planning a sweet stout, have a recipe fleshed out, but would like some input. I’m probably adding cold brewed coffee at kegging and some vanilla. Thinking of swapping the roasted barley for midnight wheat.


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I use blackprinz instead of roast barley in sweet stout..
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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2022, 11:14:02 am »
I would use light DME instead of dark and use the specialty grains to get your color and flavors
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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2022, 03:09:09 pm »
Would love feedback as I’m planning a sweet stout, have a recipe fleshed out, but would like some input. I’m probably adding cold brewed coffee at kegging and some vanilla. Thinking of swapping the roasted barley for midnight wheat.

recipe looks good imho. i think people have very different taste perceptions on various roasted malts' "bitterness" and "harshness" etc. i have more of an issue with stout use roasted malts that dont have enough assertiveness. so, up to you and your tastes re: roasted malt choices.

I would use light DME instead of dark and use the specialty grains to get your color and flavors

definitely, many dark extracts have stuff like munich, crystal added to the original grist in addition to colouring/roasted malts. it just complicates things in this case.

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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2022, 09:08:29 am »
Thanks for the feedback. I’m going to nix the dark dme for base malt and sub in midnight wheat or black malt for the roasted barley. I do want it to be less assertively roasted to allow the coffee & sweetness to shine through. I’m also dropping the ibus down since I’m putting it on a yeast combo of Nottingham and us-05.

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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2022, 10:30:53 pm »
I use Black Prinz instead of roasted barley or black patent. My wife used to complain that my stouts tasted like a "wet ashtray". The Black Prinz solved the problem.

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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2022, 11:59:10 pm »
I use Black Prinz instead of roasted barley or black patent. My wife used to complain that my stouts tasted like a "wet ashtray". The Black Prinz solved the problem.
+1 I agree and do the same thing in my stouts.

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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2022, 06:39:22 am »
I always use Roasted Barley in my Stouts and have found that the "ashtray level" imparted by this grain is a function of the maltster and percentage of use.  I've landed on 8% Roasted Barley and ≈ 3% of Carafa II.  No ashtray, just a nice touch of roast, as a Stout should be.  My opinion, of course.

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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2022, 06:49:48 am »
I use Black Prinz instead of roasted barley or black patent. My wife used to complain that my stouts tasted like a "wet ashtray". The Black Prinz solved the problem.
+1. Midnight Wheat adds a nice touch as a substitute as well



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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2022, 08:20:08 am »
When I add coffee to a beer, I do not make a pot of coffee and add it to the beer.  I "dry bean" it with whole beans and taste it until I get the flavor I want (usually 3-4 days at room temp). You will get the coffee aroma and flavor but little or no caffeine in the beer.  This works well for me and I have won several medals with my coffee porter, most recently a gold at a local competition a couple weeks ago with a score of 38.  It would have scored higher but I mentioned that there was a touch of rye in the beer from chocolate rye.  I got the slight pepper note from it when tasting it before bottling but the judges did not.  One of the judges said that if I would not have mentioned the rye it would have scored in the 40's.
I'd give the "dry bean" method a try.
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Re: Input on sweet stout without lactose.
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2022, 08:31:28 am »
When I add coffee to a beer, I do not make a pot of coffee and add it to the beer.  I "dry bean" it with whole beans and taste it until I get the flavor I want (usually 3-4 days at room temp). You will get the coffee aroma and flavor but little or no caffeine in the beer.  This works well for me and I have won several medals with my coffee porter, most recently a gold at a local competition a couple weeks ago with a score of 38.  It would have scored higher but I mentioned that there was a touch of rye in the beer from chocolate rye.  I got the slight pepper note from it when tasting it before bottling but the judges did not.  One of the judges said that if I would not have mentioned the rye it would have scored in the 40's.
I'd give the "dry bean" method a try.

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