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Timing question
« on: January 20, 2023, 09:41:55 am »
As I sit here and drink my coffee, I am pondering something.  If most yeast is done fermenting in 3 or 4 days, at least that is what I have read, why do we leave the now fermented beer in the carboy or bucket for up to 3 weeks or more?  I don't mind, and am planning on doing that for my two brews that are currently in the buckets, but I was just curious why?  Is it to help to mature the tastes?  Get a good mixture of the malts and the hops?  I also need to dry hop each and will do that probably early next week so I can keg and bottle my brews next weekend.  But, I have a lot of free time and random stuff just enters my mind.  I am looking forward to the feedback.  RR

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2023, 10:09:38 am »
As I sit here and drink my coffee, I am pondering something.  If most yeast is done fermenting in 3 or 4 days, at least that is what I have read, why do we leave the now fermented beer in the carboy or bucket for up to 3 weeks or more?  I don't mind, and am planning on doing that for my two brews that are currently in the buckets, but I was just curious why?  Is it to help to mature the tastes?  Get a good mixture of the malts and the hops?  I also need to dry hop each and will do that probably early next week so I can keg and bottle my brews next weekend.  But, I have a lot of free time and random stuff just enters my mind.  I am looking forward to the feedback.  RR

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2023, 10:13:20 am »
So, once the gravity stays the same for a test or two, beer is done?  No real advantage to leaving it in longer than that? 

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2023, 10:19:35 am »
As I sit here and drink my coffee, I am pondering something.  If most yeast is done fermenting in 3 or 4 days, at least that is what I have read, why do we leave the now fermented beer in the carboy or bucket for up to 3 weeks or more?  I don't mind, and am planning on doing that for my two brews that are currently in the buckets, but I was just curious why?  Is it to help to mature the tastes?  Get a good mixture of the malts and the hops?  I also need to dry hop each and will do that probably early next week so I can keg and bottle my brews next weekend.  But, I have a lot of free time and random stuff just enters my mind.  I am looking forward to the feedback.  RR

leaving in extended primaries is just old dogma. I spund my beers and my primaries are less than a week.

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2023, 10:40:19 am »
So, once the gravity stays the same for a test or two, beer is done?  No real advantage to leaving it in longer than that?

That is my experience and what I do.
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Re: Timing question
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2023, 10:56:15 am »
Cool   Thanks guys.  I will check my gravity in the next day or two and maybe dry hop Sunday or monday.  I'd love to get these kegged and bottled in the next week or so. 

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2023, 12:36:05 pm »
In my opinion, the rule of thumb that a beer is done fermenting when the gravity stays the same for three days is still great guidance.  Using a tilt I can see the gravity stop changing after 3-4 days, but I think yeast continue to cleanup for the next couple of days. The rule of thumb allows for the cleanup.

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2023, 12:49:49 pm »
In my opinion, the rule of thumb that a beer is done fermenting when the gravity stays the same for three days is still great guidance.  Using a tilt I can see the gravity stop changing after 3-4 days, but I think yeast continue to cleanup for the next couple of days. The rule of thumb allows for the cleanup.

I asked John Palmer about that.  He said that once the fermentables are gone (FG), there's nothing left for the yeast to use for cleanup.
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Re: Timing question
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2023, 01:08:56 pm »
In my opinion, the rule of thumb that a beer is done fermenting when the gravity stays the same for three days is still great guidance.  Using a tilt I can see the gravity stop changing after 3-4 days, but I think yeast continue to cleanup for the next couple of days. The rule of thumb allows for the cleanup.

I asked John Palmer about that.  He said that once the fermentables are gone (FG), there's nothing left for the yeast to use for cleanup.
How do you know when you’re at FG?

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2023, 01:19:12 pm »
In my opinion, the rule of thumb that a beer is done fermenting when the gravity stays the same for three days is still great guidance.  Using a tilt I can see the gravity stop changing after 3-4 days, but I think yeast continue to cleanup for the next couple of days. The rule of thumb allows for the cleanup.

I asked John Palmer about that.  He said that once the fermentables are gone (FG), there's nothing left for the yeast to use for cleanup.
How do you know when you’re at FG?

Your best guess and watching for the SG to stop changing.
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Re: Timing question
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2023, 01:43:00 pm »
Cool.  Lots of differing opinions.  I like it. 

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2023, 02:01:08 pm »
   Waiting a couple days after reaching "final" allows healthy yeast to clean up diacetyl, if it's present. Technically speaking, in eating the diacetyl, the SG will be lowered, but usually by an amount that is too small to detect with hydrometers or hydrometers used by most home brewers. Depending on individual sensitivity, IIRC, it only takes a few PPM for diacetyl to be detectable.
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Re: Timing question
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2023, 02:13:10 pm »
I taste it when it looks done.  I package it when it's definitely done.  I preferably drink it when it tastes as good as it's gonna get.

There is no set number of days for ANY of these things.
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Re: Timing question
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2023, 03:27:19 pm »
I taste it when it looks done.  I package it when it's definitely done.  I preferably drink it when it tastes as good as it's gonna get.

There is no set number of days for ANY of these things.

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Re: Timing question
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2023, 04:52:29 pm »
In my opinion, the rule of thumb that a beer is done fermenting when the gravity stays the same for three days is still great guidance.  Using a tilt I can see the gravity stop changing after 3-4 days, but I think yeast continue to cleanup for the next couple of days. The rule of thumb allows for the cleanup.

I asked John Palmer about that.  He said that once the fermentables are gone (FG), there's nothing left for the yeast to use for cleanup.
I question John Palmer's statement- just because there aren't sugars in solution outside of yeast cells doesn't mean that there aren't sugars to drive metabolism inside  of yeast cells.  I can still have a metabolism without having a meal.  I'm a biologist so maybe I have more info than Palmer, you decide.

If clear, non-yeasty beer is your goal then waiting a bit (3 weeks might be too long in many cases) for the yeast to drop before packaging isn't a bad idea. 

I'm lagering a few beers right now as my lager beers tend to improve with some time before tapping the kegs.