So I'm standing there enjoying a glass of SN Celebration, of course trying to figure out what might be in it, and thinking "forget the color, do you really taste any caramel flavor"? Honestly, no. Thanks to Gordon Strong's great reply to a post, that adding Black malt gives you red, I'm thinking "what if they just colored their base malt red to give the illusion of caramel"? When I disregard the color, all I really taste is a good base malt and good hops. What do you guys think? Not just Celebration, maybe other IPA's too.