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Offline dano14041

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Auto siphon cracking
« on: November 16, 2010, 09:21:55 am »
I was cleaning my auto siphon this weekend and noticed that there are several cracks in the bottom 2" - 3". Has anyone else had problems like this? I have only used it on 3 batches (and it seems to be working OK). Maybe I just need to relax.  ;)

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Offline Gary Glass

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 09:52:33 am »
I've probably gone through four auto siphons, all of which developed cracks after just a few uses.  Eventually they fall apart.  I've tried a variety of different cleaners in hopes of avoiding the cracks, but nothing has worked for me.  I've given up on using them.
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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 09:57:37 am »
If you keg and thus have a CO2 tank available, using one of the orange carboy caps and GENTLE  pressure of CO2 is a great way to start a siphon. Care is necessary as the carboy can break from internal pressure, but if you just crack the CO2 valve a hair you should have no problem. Acey easy.
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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 10:11:50 am »
Yes, after too many broken auto-siphons I switched to a stainless racking cane.  I use it with an orange carboy cap like Mark mentions, except I also use a sterile filter and blow into it to get the siphon started.  But using CO2 will help prevent oxidation if you're concerned about it.
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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 10:22:31 am »
I am working on putting the seal from the plastic cane onto a stainless cane, but so far I haven't found exactly the right fit.  They glue the thing to the bottom of the plastic cane and that makes it difficult to get off intact.  I seem to have enough car parts around that I should be able to make something appropriate.  As soon as I do I'll post a picture.
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Offline dano14041

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 11:23:59 am »
I don't have a kegging system, yet. I am looking into them trying to find the best deal I can. LHBS has a "kit" with used 5 gal keg, 5lb CO2 tank, gauges, hoses, connector and picnic tap for $210. But I haven't convinced myself that is the best buy yet.
Tulsa, OK

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 12:28:33 pm »
I am working on putting the seal from the plastic cane onto a stainless cane, but so far I haven't found exactly the right fit.  They glue the thing to the bottom of the plastic cane and that makes it difficult to get off intact.  I seem to have enough car parts around that I should be able to make something appropriate.  As soon as I do I'll post a picture.

that sounds like a solution. I have snapped several where they curve.
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Offline roguejim

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 01:30:18 pm »
Auto siphons are ill-designed.  Way too fragile.

Get one of these.  They are foolproof.
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=29128&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 01:36:24 pm »
Auto siphons are ill-designed.  Way too fragile.

Get one of these.  They are foolproof.
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=29128&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse
Based on this, "NOTE: Not for use with salt water aquariums or copper eroding chemicals", I wouldn't use it to siphon beer, only wort.  But the pic shows one with a plastic-looking fitting at the end, that might be fine if you can sanitize it.

I've had beers that were exposed to copper briefly (less than 1 minute), it was a very noticeable off flavor.
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Offline pweis909

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2010, 02:13:13 pm »
I also broke about 3 auto-siphons befor swtiching to a SS racking cane, which will probably last forever.  As I use bucket fermenters most of the time, the carboy cap/sterile siphon starter approach is out. I just needed to practice starting a siphon a couple times, and I've never looked back.

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2010, 02:39:42 pm »
I just fill the tube I am syphoning with sanitizer solution and let that run out into a separate bucket. it starts the syphon no problem. it works great
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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2010, 08:55:34 pm »
Weird. I'm on my second auto siphon in about six years!  :o And believe me, I brew an ass-load of beer. :) Are you cleaning it with super hot water or something? I always leave the hose attached so I don't break the cane. Then I just cut it off when it's time for new tubing.

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 10:09:18 pm »
I'm done with plastic auto siphons.  I've been through 4 auto siphons in the last 3 years.  Nope, not gonna buy another one.  I don't use hot water, so what ever my technique is for cleaning them is probably what's making them break them (and I'm not about to change that).  I now use a stainless steel racking crane, because I know that's not going to crack.
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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 10:22:34 pm »
Maybe I've just been lucky. I'm pretty hard on my brewing equipment. LOL. Now the EASY siphon is a P.O.S.

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Re: Auto siphon cracking
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2010, 12:34:30 am »
The tubes cracked when removing the tubing. I'm not convinced that leaving the tubing attached is sure to keeps bacteria from developing.

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