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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2011, 01:31:00 PM »
Please keep this to the original point, and its legality and morality.  We're drifting into some dangerous territory.
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2011, 01:31:55 PM »
I agree...delete me as necessary.
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2011, 01:40:36 PM »
I dont want anyone working for me that tests negative.

CLASSIC! :D

Many years ago, I had just hired a new employee and invited him to a party at my house.  When he showed up, I handed him a joint and said "Here's the company drug test"!

I'm still trying to figure out if Cap knows exactly what he said.  ;)

As far as the DUI checkpoints go - I freaking hate them. But I hate drunk drivers even worse.

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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2011, 01:49:09 PM »
I agree...delete me as necessary.

Why in the world would you be deleted?

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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2011, 01:49:56 PM »
I agree...delete me as necessary.

No deletion, no thread locking...yet.  As long as everyone respects the rules, I'll respect your right to post.
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2011, 01:53:41 PM »
I'm really confused. How is this dangerous territory? It's no different than discussing beer taxes, home brew legality or serving home brew at events.

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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2011, 01:57:05 PM »
I'm really confused. How is this dangerous territory? It's no different than discussing beer taxes, home brew legality or serving home brew at events.

 Tubercle was getting a little too political...Damn, this dry stout is some good stuff :D Need to slow down a little.

 To Denny: Delete offending post, not me altogether ;D

 
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2011, 01:59:22 PM »
Legal and moral.

Legal - Cause you signed away your rights to total freedom on the road when you got a license. Also by testing everyone you are being fair and not discriminating against anyone which would be against the law.

I have only been to one DUI check point in my life and they didn't test everyone.  Only people with casue.  If they smell alcohol on your breath or you have glazed eyes or talk rudely is where people had the problem. Those would be valid reasons for a breath test.

Moral - Cause If you dumb enough to drink too much and drive you should be be nailed and the health and safety of the society will appreciate it. Whether it works or not is a different question.


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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2011, 02:02:15 PM »
To Denny: Delete offending post, not me altogether ;D

 

The world would be a duller place if I deleted YOU!  :)  I'm not deleting anything at this time, and I hope that no one gives me any reason to.
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #69 on: January 02, 2011, 02:09:31 PM »
To Denny: Delete offending post, not me altogether ;D

 

The world would be a duller place if I deleted YOU!  :)  I'm not deleting anything at this time, and I hope that no one gives me any reason to.

FWIW you brought illegal drugs into the topic.

Just saying.

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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2011, 03:18:36 PM »
I.....took off the matress tags...... :-[
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2011, 03:27:45 PM »
I.....took off the matress tags...... :-[
Were you drunk at the time ?????  :o
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #72 on: January 02, 2011, 04:06:03 PM »
It has nothing to do with freedom it has to do with safety and that is law enforcements job.

If safety is really the goal, there are number of genetic markers that are accurate predictors of alcoholism. Give everyone a DNA test and take away the driver's licenses of anyone at risk.

Privacy is the ultimate slippery slope.
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2011, 04:39:58 PM »
I think one key factor is that driving is not a right, but rather regarded as a privilege. If you fail to meet the guidelines surrounding that privilege, it can be revoked.
Another consideration is that rights of others who use a public road; does someone who uses a public road while at a reduced capacity to properly operate a vehicle violate the privilege of others on the road? Does such a person infringe on another's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Maybe it's the rights of responsible drivers that is really being infringed upon by drunk drivers?

Ah, but what if someone is not drunk?
If I read correctly what has been posted here, the real bone of contention is over when can the police stop a citizen and assess their ability to operate a vehicle. If given probable cause, then there is no argument, or so I presume. Could we say that some of us are concerned over the idea of stopping anyone -- without cause -- to asses their condition to safely operate a vehicle on public roads? Seems so.

As someone else said, the higher courts consider it fair so long as everyone who passes a checkpoint is subject to the same scrutiny...i.e., an officer is not acting on his/her own discretion.

This is an important thing to debate -- without getting political (remaining philosophical) -- as our hobby can involve becoming impaired while consuming the fruits of our labor.

Unless we all agree to learn to brew non-alcoholic beer? ???

Edit: Sorry to say I am PUI..."posting under the influence"...I've been drinking Bud Light, Sweetwater IPA, and homebrewed American Brown Ale. Forgive me?
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2011, 04:41:50 PM »
Thanks for your thoughtful post.  You raise some really good points.
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