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« Reply #165 on: January 06, 2011, 10:55:48 AM »


Quick, somebody doctor this pic to read for these modern times.

Funny enough, the major theories I've heard for where HIV came from fall into three categories:

  • Idiots who think gay men were having sex with monkeys
  • Scientists who believe people had blood contact with monkeys they hunted for food (likely)
  • Scientists who believe that the polio serums derived from unsterile monkey blood contained a variant of SIV that was passed on through vaccination with the serum

Also I think at the time they believed they could "cure" homosexuality by "therapy," which basically ended in mental health work that (get this) caused a suppression problem (self-denial, pushing down the bad gay thoughts).  Modern mental health science, even at that time, should know that such non-acceptance of the self leads to internal stress and eventual violence, either self-directed or externalized.

Today we have the same problem with pedophiles being sent to counseling "to cure them," in which we try to convince them they don't like children sexually... the suppression and self-rejection leads to either mental trauma (where they suddenly wind up raping/murdering someone due to mental stress issues) or a jekyl-and-hyde symptom (cycles of abuse and then receding and pretending nothing happened).  The correct way to handle this is to teach self-acceptance and integration with society:  these people have to accept that they have certain urges and impulses, and make the decision to walk away from them.  It's like not cheating on your wife; do you honestly mean to tell me you don't want to bang all sixteen college cheerleaders jumping around at your kid's football game?  It doesn't happen; but there are guys that will just show a HUGE grin and walk away.

Nobody ever stops this stuff, or notices when things actually come to bear.  We quite rather like to hide the ugly part of society, and we like to do things more on principle of what we can accept:  stricter laws because we can't accept letting people get away with things, but don't talk about loss of liberty.  We don't want to follow anything that looks like a kook-job conspiracy theory, like fluoridated water or aspartame toxicity... we just accept that these people are crazy and stop looking for evidence, just find one single paper that says they're nuts and be done with it, don't ever look again.  Of course we're going to say, well, drunk drivers are bad so we should have a police state to stop them from killing people with their cars.

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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #166 on: January 06, 2011, 11:09:07 AM »
My problem is this. Nothing is working and people are just driving around totally s*** faced. Im sure you all have seen it. Try telling someone that has had a few that they cant drive.They get defensive. Alcohol makes you think you can do anything.


I assure you NOTHING will let you beat me in a fight, no matter how much you think you can.  If I say you can't drive, you can't drive.

I've seen people like this.  They hit the curb 6 times, then pull into the next lane cruising next to the yellow line so they can go careening into opposing traffic.  If my car didn't weigh 2800 pounds, I'd probably use it to stop their car by force; somebody driving slow and wobbling around is one thing, but when they can't stay in their lane for more than one whole second something needs doing.

Most people recognize a lot of stuff as crazy and extreme, and we've started to see this coming as people decide "violence is bad."  Violence is the single most important problem solving tool the human race has ever had, and I'd like to stare down the judge that's going to throw an assault charge at me for getting in a fist fight with someone who can barely get IN their car because they're intent on driving home.

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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #167 on: January 06, 2011, 12:31:51 PM »
My problem is this. Nothing is working and people are just driving around totally s*** faced. Im sure you all have seen it. Try telling someone that has had a few that they cant drive.They get defensive. Alcohol makes you think you can do anything.


I assure you NOTHING will let you beat me in a fight, no matter how much you think you can.  If I say you can't drive, you can't drive.

I've seen people like this.  They hit the curb 6 times, then pull into the next lane cruising next to the yellow line so they can go careening into opposing traffic.  If my car didn't weigh 2800 pounds, I'd probably use it to stop their car by force; somebody driving slow and wobbling around is one thing, but when they can't stay in their lane for more than one whole second something needs doing.

Most people recognize a lot of stuff as crazy and extreme, and we've started to see this coming as people decide "violence is bad."  Violence is the single most important problem solving tool the human race has ever had, and I'd like to stare down the judge that's going to throw an assault charge at me for getting in a fist fight with someone who can barely get IN their car because they're intent on driving home.

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« Reply #168 on: January 06, 2011, 02:14:21 PM »

Stay out of it. Call the cops...

The police can't get there fast enough and somebody dies.  It's happened.  Police have been called, and turns out it wasn't necessary because they would have shown up after the fatal collisions with other cars or walking/biking pedestrians anyway.

I had someone in my college class that heard some woman screaming outside at night, but decided to stay out of it.. found out she'd been violently raped the next day, the cops were out asking people questions.  One woman in the past had bled to death for an hour after being fatally stabbed in two separate attacks within several minutes of each other; everyone heard her, but decided to stay out of it.

The bystander effect is the single biggest threat to civil society we have, and we've culturally taken to magnifying it via the concept of a nanny state.  Nothing is your problem and the police will handle it.  People may die, but it's better than risking getting hurt, killed, or worse--fined or sued.

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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #169 on: January 06, 2011, 02:42:28 PM »
As for the probable cause, no driving around at night is not probable cause.  But smelling like alcohol is.

Interesting because my WINDOW WASHER SOLVENT contains rubbing alcohol that I put in to alter the freezing point
and when I wash the windshield, it smells strongly just like alcohol and I have not had a drop to drink.....
Oh come on, isopropyl alcohol smells nothing like ethanol, and if you have it on your breath then you should be taken into protective custody anyway.

But if you're really concerned, don't wash your windshield as you approach a checkpoint. ;)
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« Reply #170 on: January 06, 2011, 03:02:34 PM »


The Federal government would be, for mandating the blending of ethanol in gasoline! (10.00% ! )

So punatic...cars can consume ethanol while on the road? Unfair!!!

One of the reasons that you can get E85 and not E100 is that the 15% that is gasoline renders it unfit for human consumption.  It also makes the flames visible, if there is a fire. 
Brazil has (had) 100% ethonal fuel for a long time.  Sugar cane is the source.
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« Reply #171 on: January 06, 2011, 03:08:13 PM »
Sugar cane is the source.

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« Reply #172 on: January 06, 2011, 03:56:38 PM »
Sugar cane is the source.

"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women"

LOL...reminds me of one of my favorite movie quotes: "The juice, the precious juice."
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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #173 on: January 06, 2011, 04:14:21 PM »
Now if they had the computer equivalent of the ignition lock to keep people from drunken posting on the forum . . . ;D

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« Reply #174 on: January 06, 2011, 04:42:25 PM »
Now if they had the computer equivalent of the ignition lock to keep people from drunken posting on the forum . . . ;D

Ask and ye shall receive: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html
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« Reply #175 on: January 06, 2011, 07:06:30 PM »
Now if they had the computer equivalent of the ignition lock to keep people from drunken posting on the forum . . . ;D

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« Reply #176 on: January 06, 2011, 07:38:56 PM »
Now if they had the computer equivalent of the ignition lock to keep people from drunken posting on the forum . . . ;D

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Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tamp
« Reply #177 on: January 07, 2011, 02:24:47 AM »


The Federal government would be, for mandating the blending of ethanol in gasoline! (10.00% ! )

So punatic...cars can consume ethanol while on the road? Unfair!!!

One of the reasons that you can get E85 and not E100 is that the 15% that is gasoline renders it unfit for human consumption.  It also makes the flames visible, if there is a fire. 
Brazil has (had) 100% ethonal fuel for a long time.  Sugar cane is the source.

Speaking of unfit for human consumption AND fueling cars with alcohol: http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2011/01/four_loko_is_being_used_to_fue.html
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« Reply #178 on: January 07, 2011, 02:28:13 AM »

Stay out of it. Call the cops...

The police can't get there fast enough and somebody dies.  It's happened.  Police have been called, and turns out it wasn't necessary because they would have shown up after the fatal collisions with other cars or walking/biking pedestrians anyway.

I had someone in my college class that heard some woman screaming outside at night, but decided to stay out of it.. found out she'd been violently raped the next day, the cops were out asking people questions.  One woman in the past had bled to death for an hour after being fatally stabbed in two separate attacks within several minutes of each other; everyone heard her, but decided to stay out of it.

The bystander effect is the single biggest threat to civil society we have, and we've culturally taken to magnifying it via the concept of a nanny state.  Nothing is your problem and the police will handle it.  People may die, but it's better than risking getting hurt, killed, or worse--fined or sued.

Most countries have laws that state, effectively, if you are witnessing a crime, and you have the ability to help and do not, you're charged with 'failure to act' or 'aiding and abetting' or something like that. The penalties are pretty hefty - jail time in most cases.
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« Reply #179 on: January 07, 2011, 05:55:13 AM »

Most countries have laws that state, effectively, if you are witnessing a crime, and you have the ability to help and do not, you're charged with 'failure to act' or 'aiding and abetting' or something like that. The penalties are pretty hefty - jail time in most cases.

What about the (hot) damsel in distress you try to save, only to meet her four thug friends who were hiding in the shadows? Or that crazy girl when you try to beat up the boyfriend who was smacking the s*** out of her - she jumps on you and claws you up cuz you are hurting her boyfriend! I'm sure some of you live in a neighborhood like in "my blue heaven", "groundhogs day" or "the truman show". But the bigger cities you gotta be suspicious about everything.  :(
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