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How do i get a big hop flavor.

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HOPS!!!!
« on: December 25, 2009, 04:30:36 PM »
i want a hop flavor a powerful as Stone's Riunition IPA or southern tiers imperial IPA.  someone please help im tired of failing.  i need to know the tricks of the trade,

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2009, 06:48:26 PM »
Late hopping and dry hopping.
Also proper hop selection is VERY important.
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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2009, 07:46:28 PM »
Assuming they're reasonably high alpha, about 5 oz total is what I'd use for an IPA. Roughly 1 oz at 60 min, 2 oz in the last 15 min, 1 oz at flameout and 1 oz dry hop.
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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2009, 07:08:55 AM »
Here's a look at a hopping schedule that you might use to get huge hop flavor and aroma. It isn't just about quantity (though there certainly is that) is is about timing. Also it is about how quickly you can cool your wort! If you wort sits aorund over 140 degrees for long you are utilizing alpha acids and loosing flavor and aroma. Find a method that will quickly cool and stat cooling immediately! This is one reason I prefer an IC over a CFC.

note the recipe is for 12 gallons

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12 Gallons
Approx 95 IBUs
OG 1.080

15lbs American 2-Row
15 lbs Crisp Maris Otter
2lbs Crystal 40L
1.5 lb Table Sugar (sucrose)

Hops (all whole hops)
2oz Centennial FWH
2oz Amarillo (7aa) 60 min
2oz Centennial (8aa) 30 min
2oz Amarillo (7aa) 20 min
2oz Centennial (8aa) 15 min
2oz Centennial (8aa) 5 min
2oz Amarillo (7aa) 0 min
2oz Centennial 8aa) 0 min

Dry Hops (hop pellets) 1 oz Centennial in primary after fermentation slows for 7-10 days
Dry Hop 1oz Amarillo and 1.5 oz Centennial in keg

US-05 yeast

Mash in at 152 for 60 min. Boil 90 min. Pitch at 62 and ferment at 68. Drink young and eagerly!



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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2009, 06:57:17 PM »
This is my recipe.

7 lbs Amber liquid malt extract
1 lb   Pale malt
.5lbs Crystal Malt 60L
.5lbs Wheat

2 oz Magnum 14.2%
2 oz Chinock  13.1%
4 oz Cascade
1 oz Saaz
 
Wyeast Propagator American Ale 


20 minute steep at 155 F
remove
add extract bring to boil
2 oz magnum leaf  60 minutes
1 oz chinock       60 minutes
1 oz chinock      30 minutes
1.5 oz cascade  7 minutes
1.5 oz cascade   2 minutes
1 oz saaz           2 minutes
1 oz cscade     dry
 
10 day primary 2 week secondary with dry hop.  to keg.   still didnt get what i was looking for.  to be honest its not even close and barley drinkable.  what am i doing wrong.

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 08:14:36 PM »
Are you doing a full boil or partial (needing to top up to 5 gallons afterward)?  If partial, what's your boil volume?  Partial boil can affect hop utilization.
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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2009, 07:19:32 AM »

2 oz magnum leaf  60 minutes
1 oz chinock       60 minutes
1 oz chinock      30 minutes
1.5 oz cascade  7 minutes
1.5 oz cascade   2 minutes
1 oz saaz           2 minutes
1 oz cscade     dry
  

You have way, way too many bittering units (BUs) @ the 60 min. You need to back off considerably - 2oz Magnum and one oz of chinook are going to give you initially something between 100 and 200 BUs (without doing the math, I have no idea how much exactly but way, way too much). You are making a beer that is quite bitter but not hoppy with a recipe like that.

You need a good recipe design program if you don't have one - look at the calc. at www.tastybrew.com - they are free and work well enough and aught to get you through until you can find some software for your home computer.

For hops, you need to layer the flavors and you would do well to keep in mind BU to OG ratio. For instance, a good rule of thumb is to keep the BU (also known as IBU) to OG ratio 1:1 (this is really simplified, you might go 2:1 for an IPA or 1:2 for a pils.) So, in other words, for a 1.050 pale ale you might target 50-60 BUs. This is really simplified, pick up a copy of Ray Daniels "Designing Great Beers" for more info.

Now, to keep the hop flavor and bitterness balanced you would perhaps only put 20 BUs at the 60 minute mark (as opposed to you 200 or so BUs!!). So for your recipe that might mean .5-.75 oz Magnum or Chinook  at 60 min. Then a 1 oz addition at 30 minutes and then you would put perhaps 2 oz at 10 min and 2 oz at flamre out. The longer you boil, the alpha acids are converted to bitterness and the less aroma and hop flavor will come through. That is why you need to put most of your hops at the end of the boil for  more hop aroma and flavor.

After that it comes down to style - I would consider Saaz to be out of style for the beer you are designing. If you like Ruination look at the recipe I posted - that is styled after Ruination. Ruination uses Centennial hops almost exclusively (except for Magnum bittering addition I believe) - I mixed it up with hops I like. That recipe could very easily be converted to an extract beer.

Also, as was mentioned above, partial boil will significantly decrease hop utilization. Also, the method of cooling and how quick you cool the wort will affect hop flavor/aroma/utilization.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2009, 07:22:59 AM by majorvices »
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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 05:29:54 PM »
Thanks alot for the tip.  The calculater is very helpful as far as setting up a guideline.  im going to go with columbus hops for my bittering and centennial for my flavors.  now i just turn the flame off and then throw more in and just leave it on the burner for how long.  or right when i put them in do i still my wort chiller in.   i know that is a very important step and i have no one but you guys to teach me. 
thanks for everything

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2009, 07:30:44 AM »
  now i just turn the flame off and then throw more in and just leave it on the burner for how long.  or right when i put them in do i still my wort chiller in. 

If you are talking about 0 min. additions, yeah, go ahead, turn the flame off and throw 'em in and turn you chiller on. I leave mine in contact with the 0 min addition hops for at least an hour while I am chilling and getting stuff ready to run off into the fermenters. Sometimes I will  even let them sit longer (overnight on several occasions.)

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 06:36:45 PM »
Try one of those New Zealand hops, like Sorachi Ace or NZ Halleratau.  You want hop flavor and aroma, they will provide it.

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2010, 12:41:05 PM »
If you want big hop aroma, I would suggest you double the 1 oz of dryhops.  I do a double IPA that is loosely based on Pliny the Elder that has over 5 oz of dry-hops for 5 gallons.  Man, does that punch you in the face!

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2010, 03:34:30 PM »
If you want big hop aroma, I would suggest you double the 1 oz of dryhops.  I do a double IPA that is loosely based on Pliny the Elder that has over 5 oz of dry-hops for 5 gallons.  Man, does that punch you in the face!
How much beer do you lose when using that many hops?

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 03:37:41 PM »
A fair amount (if I had to guess, maybe 15% of the 5 gallon batch).....Next time I do my double IPA I'll take a picture of the secondary.  There's probably a good 2 inches of hop matter on the bottom of the carboy.  However, the Hop aroma and flavor you can get is pretty phenominal. 

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 03:46:01 PM »
Wow, I'll bet that is some awesome brew! Big price to pay for it though. 

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Re: HOPS!!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2010, 03:52:58 PM »
Yeah, it's what made me start buying hops in bulk!   ;D