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Could this be implemented on a Hobby scale
« on: January 18, 2011, 11:50:45 PM »
I mean this system produces consistent and good beer.
How could a homebrewer do this on a small scale?
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Re: Could this be implemented on a Hobby scale
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 05:27:11 AM »
I'd love to replicate this but it takes a lot of stainless steel manufacturing. Most of these systems are optimized for energy efficiency which is not so much a concern for homebrewers. I doubt that the beer quality improvements match the effort.

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Re: Could this be implemented on a Hobby scale
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 08:39:11 AM »
It would be so kewl to have. If one had the ss manipulation technology
and a steam boiler you could brew up a grand ole storm.
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Re: Could this be implemented on a Hobby scale
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 09:08:12 AM »
It would be so kewl to have. If one had the ss manipulation technology
and a steam boiler you could brew up a grand ole storm.

I think some elements of this can be useful for designing a home brewery.

The idea of the external heater for boiling for example. This may make the design of an electric brewery simpler. Use a pump to pump wort through a heated pipe to heat and boil the wort. The outlet may be above the wort level and may be deflected to create a large surface for evaporation. Note that you’ll have to pay attention to the heat density in the heated section. A simple 10 inch piece of copper pipe won’t work. Once boiling is complete the same system, with a different wort entry into the kettle, can be used to start a whirlpool.

If the pump can also handle mash you may be able to use the same kettle to for mashing.

Heating wort only in the center of the kettle or having a device that promotes bubble formation in the center would be nice. This would provide a nice “boil fountain” for even wort circulation.

A Stromboil (internal cooker) like device could be a kettle insert for electrical boiling. You would make an electric heating element that promotes wort flow from its bottom to its top and that thing could be inserted into the boil kettle. When you are done boiling you remove the thing and start chilling.

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Re: Could this be implemented on a Hobby scale
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 09:15:07 AM »
Heating wort only in the center of the kettle or having a device that promotes bubble formation in the center would be nice. This would provide a nice “boil fountain” for even wort circulation.

A Stromboil (internal cooker) like device could be a kettle insert for electrical boiling. You would make an electric heating element that promotes wort flow from its bottom to its top and that thing could be inserted into the boil kettle. When you are done boiling you remove the thing and start chilling.

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There's a brewery here in town that was built with a colandria (sp?) like that.  It seldom if ever gets used these days and I'm told that it was decided to be of little use.  If I can get any more info from the brewer there, I'll post it.
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Re: Could this be implemented on a Hobby scale
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 09:38:20 AM »
It seldom if ever gets used these days and I'm told that it was decided to be of little use.

It depends on the size of the brewery I guess. AB's brew house in Merrimack NH and all the big breweries I visited in Germany have such an internal cooker.

It cost more to build but it is more efficient than a classic boil kettle which is why it may not make sense for a micro brewery.

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Re: Could this be implemented on a Hobby scale
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 10:24:35 AM »
The brewhouse in this place was built by a German company, and when it was new the brewer there used it often.  I really don't recall how big the kettle is, but it's definitely not on an AB scale!  That was probably at least 15 years ago.  It's changed hands and the current brewer doesn't see much value in it.  Obviously a personal decision based on his own preferences.
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