[denny]

Thanks for posting Clayton Cone's comments.  Nice to have info from the experts--the reasoning seems sound.

I agree that the reasoning is sound.  I just can't agree that it makes much difference.

[tom]

I am sure that Denny wouldn't make a statement of fact without a rigourous triangle test!   

[bluesman]

At 1.112 I rehydrate 2 packs, But you noticed how adaptable those little critters are.

<1.080 1 pack sprinkled
1.080+ 1 pack rehydrated
1.100+ 2 packs rehydrated
1.120+ 3 packs rehydrated.

More important on big beers is the fermentation temp.

Yes...I used 2 packs in the 1.112 BW.

I just sprinkled it on and the next morning it was off to the races.

The aroma out of the airlock on the second day was mesmerizing. 

[majorvices]

I am sure that Denny wouldn't make a statement of fact without a rigourous triangle test!   

Two or three years ago I actually did do a couple batches side by side and have to admit the rehydrated one took off faster. Can't say I could really tell a difference in the finished beer though.

[jeffy]

I can't find it right now, but the instructions on the Lallemand website say to use water at 70F.  I guess that's wrong.  I'll try the higher temp next time.  Thanks for that Clayton Cone info.  It really helps clarify things.

[beersk]

I typically use 1 pack, sprinkled in, up to 1.060.  And 2 packs sprinkled in 1.060 and up.  I don't typically brew super high gravity beers, so I usually only need 2 packs at the most, and the beers turn out fine.  But maybe I'm being too careful...who knows.  US-05 is pretty cheap and a good clean strain, which I like.  It lets the hops and malt do the talkin', not the yeast.

[Hokerer]

US-05 is pretty cheap and a good clean strain, which I like.  It lets the hops and malt do the talkin', not the yeast.

Unless you're doing something like a Hefe where it's all about the yeast doing to talkin', right?

[denny]

US-05 is pretty cheap and a good clean strain, which I like.  It lets the hops and malt do the talkin', not the yeast.

Unless you're doing something like a Hefe where it's all about the yeast doing to talkin', right?

I hear WB-06 is a pretty decent dry yeast for a hefe.

[majorvices]

US-05 is pretty cheap and a good clean strain, which I like.  It lets the hops and malt do the talkin', not the yeast.

Unless you're doing something like a Hefe where it's all about the yeast doing to talkin', right?

I hear WB-06 is a pretty decent dry yeast for a hefe.

Meh ... not in my opinion.

[tubercle]

 Tubercle is going to start hydrating 1/2 pack and sprinkling the other 1/2 directly. Just covering all the bases here.
 
 Unless it is time to let Herman out to play for a while Then a couple of big spoonfuls gets schlopped in...party's over.

 Like we used to say back in my days on the SWAT team...when the tail gate drops...the bull$h(t stops.

[a10t2]

I'll second Keith's "meh". WB-06 makes an OK, but not great, American wheat. It isn't a hefeweizen yeast at all IME.

[hamiltont]

I'll second Keith's "meh". WB-06 makes an OK, but not great, American wheat. It isn't a hefeweizen yeast at all IME.

I have to agree.  WLP380 is the bomb for Hefe's IMO.  Cheers!!!

[dean]

I wasn't going to say anything in this thread because I disagree with a lot of what gets said and is taken for gospel in the homebrewing world.  Here is yet another example of more information leading to yet another twist to pitching rates etc.  In NB catalog it states that when making a beer you would normally need a 2 liter starter... you can cut that to 1/2 a liter if you use a stir plate.     Just more disinformation imo.  I haven't gone to JZ's website and used the calculater in quite a while because it too is making assumptions rather than imperical fact... jmo.   And the site sure loads slower than molasses in January which is unusual for a site not loaded with tons of graphics so it makes me wonder abouts safety.

I'm with Denny and Fred, until I pitch something and it fails I guess.  Jmo...

[denny]

Meh ... not in my opinion.

That's good to hear, since I haven't personally tried it.

[beersk]

Well, that goes without saying.  A hefe, you obviously want the yeast character to dominate.  For me, however, I don't brew that many, if any, yeast dominate beers.  So US-05 is a great yeast to feature more of the hops/malt balances.  
Dean, I get what you're saying.  But what does JZ have to gain by telling you to pitch a certain amount of yeast?  It's not like he's selling a product and wants you to give him money.  He's trying to tell you that that is the amount of yeast you need to pitch to get a "proper" fermentation and make great beer versus good beer.  But, that's just his opinion based on his experience (I guess...).  You do what you like, it's your beer.  I don't follow his pitch rates either, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here.