[punatic]

True freedom comes when you reach the point where you no longer need anyone's approval for anything.  Your self image/self esteem is not subject to others' opinions.

The next time you go to buy ingredients just hand him the grain bill and ask that it be filled.  

"No opinions needed, thank you very much."
 

[pinnah]

True freedom comes when you reach the point where you no longer need anyone's approval for anything.

This is a really great point.


It is a shame that this sounds so much better:

Tell him to STFU and let you spend your coin how you like it.

 

[punatic]

We have a saying here, "No talk stink or bimbye you get lockjaw."

[johnf]

While not much of an authenticity freak I'm not sure I could bring myself to use adjuncts in a German lager as JZ's recipe calls for but IIRC, EJ Phair brewed that recipe and won a GABF medal with it so you certainly could go pro with it.

[dixonmike20]

Hell, there A LOT of commercial craft beers that are technically out of style.

People like him can take a long walk on a short pier.

[jeffy]

Wow.  That thread was so old, Carl had the second to last  post.
Do you think he's happy on the distilling forums?

[dixonmike20]

Ha! I just typed away and realized how old it was after posting. I'm a little sleep deprived today.

[hopfenundmalz]

Wow.  That thread was so old, Carl had the second to last  post.
Do you think he's happy on the distilling forums?

Probably. If he wasn't he would be back on here.

[punatic]

Wow.  That thread was so old, Carl had the second to last  post.
Do you think he's happy on the distilling forums?

You betchum Red Ryder!  He is. 
And, as it happens, he is running a spirit run under a full moon tonight as he writes this - a mead brandy (star fruit/lehua honey melomel) on a four plate bubble cap still.

Ok, ok.. as much as I hate to admit that Chris Knight and company were an early primary motivating factor for me to attend the post-secondary institution that I did..

It was Jordan that got my intellectual juices going... 

[hopfenundmalz]

Wow.  That thread was so old, Carl had the second to last  post.
Do you think he's happy on the distilling forums?

You betchum Red Ryder!  He is. 
And, as it happens, he is running a spirit run under a full moon tonight as he writes this - a mead brandy (star fruit/lehua honey melomel) on a four plate bubble cap still.

Ok, ok.. as much as I hate to admit that Chris Knight and company were an early primary motivating factor for me to attend the post-secondary institution that I did..

It was Jordan that got my intellectual juices going... 

And there he is!

[mabrungard]

Hell, there A LOT of commercial craft beers that are technically out of style.

People like him can take a long walk on a short pier.

Mike and Jeff,

This bears directly on the point I made for the 2014 BJCP guideline update. There are plenty of beers that are just a little off in some manner, from the stipulation of the style...but they are still great beers. That is the problem with the style guidelines as they sit now, there isn't an allowance for minor variation or stretching of the styles. Anything that can't conform to a style, has to be placed into the "Specialty" category. That doesn't make sense to me.

Mark Stober presented an idea to me a few years ago. Each style category should include a 'Specialty' subcategory so that beers that are just a little off from conforming to a subcategory guideline can still be judged with similar beers in that category. I like this approach much better than having a single 'Specialty' category that can see any sort of unique or non-conforming beer. That cornucopia of beers can make it tough to judge.

Now, I 'm not saying that the 'Specialty' category should go away. Because there will be beers that are not like any other styles and they will need a place to go. What I'm advocating is a 'Specialty' subcategory in each style category that can then accommodate beers that are pushing the boundaries of a style, but are still recognizable as falling in or around the style. 

[69franx]

Even without having entered any competitions, that makes the most sense to me Martin.


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[reverseapachemaster]

I'm guessing he's not much of a fan of grodziskie.

[klickitat jim]

Even without having entered any competitions, that makes the most sense to me Martin.


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Supposing a large competition and a butt load of judges, I agree. So imagine you have 600 beers and 100 judges. Supposing each bracket had an even amount of entries. You and your buddy are judging 12 beers. 6 are IPA, 6 are specialty IPA. Cool. But it's not going to work out that way. Out of the 600 probably 20 are specialty. I understand the reasoning for putting those all in one. Besides, do you want to have your stellar classic IPA going head to head with a specialty IPA? Maybe, maybe not.

[Werks21]

Even without having entered any competitions, that makes the most sense to me Martin.


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Supposing a large competition and a butt load of judges, I agree. So imagine you have 600 beers and 100 judges. Supposing each bracket had an even amount of entries. You and your buddy are judging 12 beers. 6 are IPA, 6 are specialty IPA. Cool. But it's not going to work out that way. Out of the 600 probably 20 are specialty. I understand the reasoning for putting those all in one. Besides, do you want to have your stellar classic IPA going head to head with a specialty IPA? Maybe, maybe not.

Good point. Though I have not entered a comp yet my first thought is a specialty IPA vs a per style IPA is not a good match up. Apples to apples is the way it should be but perhaps if there were specialty categories for each style there would be more entries in those new categories. All, or most of us love to experiment push the lines. Knowing there is a place for our own "perversion" of a style might lead us to more entries just outside of style. The hobby is growing to the point where a specialty for each style could or maybe should be a reality. I'm sure that there is a argument to be made to the contrary, but a specialty for each doesn't seem like a bad idea at face value as long as they are judged only among same category specialties.