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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2011, 02:43:09 am »
I was reviewing some vids of the one of the villages that got swept away. There were people walking away- yes walking away from the deluge approaching them. And they got swept under. I'd have my track shoes on...

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend who works for the USGS at the Hawaii Volcanoes Observatory.  Our island is divided into volcanic hazard zones - zone 5 is safe - zone 1 has a high probability of being covered by new lava in the near future.

Says I, "Would you live in a zone 1 area?"
"No I would not."
"Would you recommend anyone living in a zone 1 area move out of that area?"
"No, but I would recommend that they keep their car running."


I live in zone 3.
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2011, 03:07:10 am »
yes walking away from the deluge approaching them.

Very sad. 

Check out these   before and after photos:  Be sure and use the slider between the photos.


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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2011, 06:48:38 am »
That's really telling isn't it?
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2011, 10:00:06 am »
I heard on the radio that the USS Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group passed through a radioactive cloud enroute to providing aid to Japan.  Kind of makes you wonder about what's being reported about what's already happened at Fukushima.

Which is why I prefer BBC for my international news. We get extremely sanitized versions of what happens around the globe spoon fed to us. It's not censorship if it is just simply ommited is it?


http://english.aljazeera.net/ I have been continuously impressed by what Al Jazeera has been producing these days. And I work for a Cable news network! Of course we're not that bad either, just not as in-the-weeds: http://www.france24.com/en

In the mornings though, I listen to The World Today from the BBC. That's a great source.
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2011, 11:34:17 am »
yes walking away from the deluge approaching them.

Very sad.  

Check out these   before and after photos:  Be sure and use the slider between the photos.



These slides tell all.

What a sad, sad, sad time for the Japanese.

My heart goes out to them.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2011, 12:39:37 pm by bluesman »
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2011, 12:23:17 pm »

What a sad, sad, sad time for the Japanese.

Truly the reverberations from these events
will be felt by the people and culture of Japan for generations to come.

WOW, the first picture of Fukushima Daiichi has been updated...yesterday reactor Number 1 was intact. :o

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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2011, 01:25:44 pm »
  Kind of makes you wonder about what's being reported about what's already happened at Fukushima.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/175295
In a newly released diplomatic cable obtained by WikiLeaks, politician Taro Kono, a high-profile member of Japan's lower house, tells US diplomats that the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry – the Japanese government department responsible for nuclear energy – has been "covering up nuclear accidents and obscuring the true costs and problems associated with the nuclear industry".

[...] "What we are seeing follows a clear pattern of secrecy and denial," said Paul Dorfman, co-secretary to the Committee Examining Radiation Risks from Internal Emitters, a UK government advisory committee disbanded in 2004.

"The Japanese government has always tended to underplay accidents. At the moment the Japanese claims of safety are not to be believed by anyone. The health effects of what has happened so far are imponderable. The reality is we just do not know. There is profound uncertainty about the impact of the accident."

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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2011, 01:39:28 pm »
http://english.aljazeera.net/ I have been continuously impressed by what Al Jazeera has been producing these days. And I work for a Cable news network! Of course we're not that bad either, just not as in-the-weeds: http://www.france24.com/en

Does that mean you work with that ultra-hot French news woman?  Melissa something?
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2011, 02:36:50 pm »
http://english.aljazeera.net/ I have been continuously impressed by what Al Jazeera has been producing these days. And I work for a Cable news network! Of course we're not that bad either, just not as in-the-weeds: http://www.france24.com/en

Does that mean you work with that ultra-hot French news woman?  Melissa something?

Mélissa Theuriau? No, she works for M6 I think. My desk is in a corner next to the Arabic studio so I don't see the Anglo/Francophone presentatrices, but during lunchtime I get plenty of eye candy.
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2011, 03:19:46 pm »
In the mornings though, I listen to The World Today from the BBC. That's a great source.

+1.  We get that via Oregon Public Broadcasting.
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2011, 03:49:19 pm »
"The Japanese government has always tended to underplay accidents. At the moment the Japanese claims of safety are not to be believed by anyone. The health effects of what has happened so far are imponderable. The reality is we just do not know. There is profound uncertainty about the impact of the accident."
This assumes the accidents were even reported . . .

"And Japan has a record of cover-ups when it comes to nuclear accidents. In 2007, the operators of the Shika plant acknowledged they had failed to report a 15-minute uncontrollable nuclear chain reaction eight years earlier. Another operator was forced to close 17 plants temporarily in 2003 after admitting it falsified safety inspection reports."\

It's not exactly inspiring to know that Japan has a great safety record, and a history of falsifying those records.
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2011, 04:19:30 pm »
Hopefully any "fallout" will end up in the Pacific before it blows over the US mainland or any islands. I'm more fearful of alpha and beta than gamma so would like to see that stuff in the ocean than on human skin, crops or living enviromments.

That's pretty much backwards, actually. Alphas are high-energy, but most of that is tied up in their mass (~4 amu). They can't even penetrate skin. Plus most of the major alpha emitters are transuranics, so there's limited potential for uptake into the ecosystem. Betas are a little bit more of a concern, but most of the emitters (with the notable exception of Sr-90) are prompt sources, so by this point they've already been through a couple half-lives and are falling off. The major sources of radiation in nuclear fuel are the long-lived fission products like Cs-137, which tend to be gamma emitters. They have half-lives of a few decades, and limited potential for chemical toxicity, so they tend to wind up in the environment.
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2011, 04:22:13 pm »
Hopefully any "fallout" will end up in the Pacific before it blows over the US mainland or any islands. I'm more fearful of alpha and beta than gamma so would like to see that stuff in the ocean than on human skin, crops or living enviromments.

That's pretty much backwards, actually. Alphas are high-energy, but most of that is tied up in their mass (~4 amu). They can't even penetrate skin. Plus most of the major alpha emitters are transuranics, so there's limited potential for uptake into the ecosystem. Betas are a little bit more of a concern, but most of the emitters (with the notable exception of Sr-90) are prompt sources, so by this point they've already been through a couple half-lives and are falling off. The major sources of radiation in nuclear fuel are the long-lived fission products like Cs-137, which tend to be gamma emitters. They have half-lives of a few decades, and limited potential for chemical toxicity, so they tend to wind up in the environment.


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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2011, 04:39:36 pm »
The major sources of radiation in nuclear fuel are the long-lived fission products like Cs-137, which tend to be gamma emitters. They have half-lives of a few decades, and limited potential for chemical toxicity, so they tend to wind up in the environment.
Yes, but which ones turn you into the Hulk?  Gamma.
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Re: Japan quake
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2011, 04:45:03 pm »
Yes, but which ones turn you into the Hulk?  Gamma.

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