Author Topic: Legality of brewing eisbier  (Read 2930 times)

Offline dbeechum

  • Administrator
  • Brewmaster General
  • *****
  • Posts: 2311
  • Pasadena, CA
    • View Profile
    • Experimental Brewing
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2011, 04:23:18 PM »
The feds, if it's the case that they don't like Eisbock, would take a dim view on your accident. (at least if you went and sold it to the public)
Drew Beechum - Maltosefalcons.com
- Vote in the AHA GC Election! - http://bit.ly/1aV9GVd  -
-----
Burbling:
Gnome is in the Details
*Experimental Brewing - The Book*
Tap:
Peanut Butter Jelly Time
Tupelo Mead
Farmhouse Brett Saison

Offline tubercle

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1639
  • Sweet Caroline
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2011, 05:45:48 PM »
That's what I'm thinking too. :(

 They're first cousin to the IR$; got their own definitions.
Sweet Caroline where the Sun rises over the deep blue sea and sets somewhere beyond Tennessee

Offline corkybstewart

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1304
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2011, 06:17:48 PM »
We're still waiting for our Brewers Notice, got the state and town taken care of already. We'll definitely talk to someone at the bureau and diligently research the federal and state statutes ... when that time comes. I just wanted to see what the good citizens of Forumland might know, kind of a pre-pre-preliminary step.
When you speak of the almost open Taos Ale House are you referring to Taos New Mexico?  I need another reason to head north since I'm too old and beaten down to ski.
I'd really just rather be brewing in sunny Carlsbad New Mexico

Offline narcout

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 468
  • Los Angeles, CA
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2011, 06:43:49 PM »
There is, apparently, an article in the Winter 1995 issue of Zymurgy by Dennis Davison that covers this. I don't have access to the article and have not read it (and of course it is fairly dated at this point), but here is a quote I found on another forum.  I make no claim as to its accuracy.  Tracking down the article might be a good starting place.

"According to Bureauf of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms officials, the process of freezing beer and removing ice is called concentrating.  A brewer may not employ any process of concentration that separates alcohol spirits from any
fermented beverage, and since ice is being removed from beer, this concentration procedure is legal."


Offline Thirsty_Monk

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1848
  • Eau Claire WI
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2011, 07:29:05 PM »
What would happen if you "accidentally" left it outside on a freezing night?

In the worst case you would lose your Brewers License and you would be out of business.
Na Zdravie

On Tap At The TapRoom:
Bohemian Pilsner
Bohemian Dark Lager
Smoked Bock
MaiBock
American Brown Ale
Marzen
Root beer

Offline chaz

  • Cellarman
  • **
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2011, 02:11:37 AM »
IIRC, there was an episode of Basic Brewing where they contacted the TTB to clarify on whether it was legal. They said it was fine as freeze concentration didn't fall under distilling...
« Last Edit: March 12, 2011, 02:13:14 AM by chaz »

Offline tschmidlin

  • I must live here
  • **********
  • Posts: 8131
  • Redmond, WA
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2011, 02:54:21 AM »
IIRC, there was an episode of Basic Brewing where they contacted the TTB to clarify on whether it was legal. They said it was fine as freeze concentration didn't fall under distilling...
You're the man Chaz, I think that's where I heard it.  See you in SD . . . ?
Tom Schmidlin

Offline dbeechum

  • Administrator
  • Brewmaster General
  • *****
  • Posts: 2311
  • Pasadena, CA
    • View Profile
    • Experimental Brewing
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2011, 02:56:51 AM »
IIRC, there was an episode of Basic Brewing where they contacted the TTB to clarify on whether it was legal. They said it was fine as freeze concentration didn't fall under distilling...

Good find, but if I had money on the line, I'd want someone legally liable for saying "yes".

:)
Drew Beechum - Maltosefalcons.com
- Vote in the AHA GC Election! - http://bit.ly/1aV9GVd  -
-----
Burbling:
Gnome is in the Details
*Experimental Brewing - The Book*
Tap:
Peanut Butter Jelly Time
Tupelo Mead
Farmhouse Brett Saison

Offline bluesman

  • Global Moderator
  • I must live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 8683
  • Delaware
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2011, 09:16:43 AM »
IIRC, there was an episode of Basic Brewing where they contacted the TTB to clarify on whether it was legal. They said it was fine as freeze concentration didn't fall under distilling...

Good find, but if I had money on the line, I'd want someone legally liable for saying "yes".

:)

I think we would all love to believe this to be the case but I'm hearing some news to the contrary. It's confusing.

http://beernews.org/2010/04/redhook-brewery-tempts-regulators-with-new-eisbock-28-beer/

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Ei9ZDH7VWBcJ:www.ttb.gov/press/fy09/press-release-samuel-adams-and-boston-beer.pdf+ttb+boston+beer&hl=en&gl=us&sig=AHIEtbQXeAsw5g4AqLROPmFtTo4gKAzCKw
« Last Edit: March 12, 2011, 10:04:01 AM by bluesman »
Ron Price

Offline maxieboy

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1155
  • Mid MI
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2011, 09:46:09 AM »
What are we looking for at beernews.org? The other link doesn't work for me.
A dog can show you more honest affection with a flick of his tail than a man can gather through a lifetime of handshakes." Gene Hill

[47.7, 310.8] AR

AHA Member

Offline cheba420

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
  • Can I get a beer up in here?
    • View Profile
    • The Beer Research Institute
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2011, 09:47:53 AM »
I "accidentally" turned my dispensing fridge down too low and wound up with an Ice PA once. Opps! :) Had to skim all that ice out and get rid of it! Wound up being pretty tasty.

Of course....I wasnt selling it to anyone.
Matt
Mesa, AZ.
#197645

On Tap: Vanilla Porter, Belgian Blonde, Saison, Black IPA, Punkin Porter
Primary: Pale 31 Clone, Raspberry Cider
Secondary: Vanilla Porter
Conditioning: Brett IPA
Bottles:Mosaic Wheat
On Deck: Flanders Red, Berliner weisse, Punkin Saison, Saison Brett

Offline bluesman

  • Global Moderator
  • I must live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 8683
  • Delaware
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2011, 10:05:10 AM »
What are we looking for at beernews.org? The other link doesn't work for me.

Sorry for the bad links. I fixed it.
Ron Price

Offline maxieboy

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1155
  • Mid MI
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2011, 10:22:17 AM »
Got 'em. Thanks.
A dog can show you more honest affection with a flick of his tail than a man can gather through a lifetime of handshakes." Gene Hill

[47.7, 310.8] AR

AHA Member

Offline gabetoth

  • 1st Kit
  • *
  • Posts: 11
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2011, 10:38:58 AM »
Yes, we're in Taos, NM, probably under two months now from opening. We'll be right across the street from the Post Office and Michael's Kitchen, just north of the plaza. Pop in and say hi if you're up here!

gabe

Offline jeffy

  • Brewmaster General
  • *******
  • Posts: 2448
  • Tampa, Fl
    • View Profile
Re: Legality of brewing eisbier
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2011, 11:09:24 AM »
Yes, we're in Taos, NM, probably under two months now from opening. We'll be right across the street from the Post Office and Michael's Kitchen, just north of the plaza. Pop in and say hi if you're up here!

gabe
Is Michael's Kitchen the one where half the decor is angelic and half is devilish?  Loved that place.
Jeff Gladish, Tampa (989.3, 175.1 Apparent Rennarian)
Homebrewing since 1990
AHA member since 1991, now a lifetime member
BJCP judge since 1995