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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2011, 06:32:03 AM »
I use OxiClean with water that has been run through an ion replacement system (water "softener").  It seems to eliminate the need for a chelator, I assume because the sodium that replaces the calcium in the softener's resin bed forms salts that don't stick the way calcium carbonate does.  I'm no chemistry expert!  But I can say that I never have a problem with inorganic buildup on my equipment, even after soaking in OxiClean solution for long periods.

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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2011, 08:25:09 AM »
When you say oxyclean do you mean oxyclean free? I was always told that regular oxyclean had perfume in it?

Either one.  I use the Versatile and always have.  There is no scent from it.
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2011, 08:56:08 AM »
When you say oxyclean do you mean oxyclean free? I was always told that regular oxyclean had perfume in it?

Either one.  I use the Versatile and always have.  There is no scent from it.

There is to me, which is why when OxiClean Free became unavailable in this area, I stopped buying Oxiclean. It's a soapy-perfumey odor. Every nose is sui generis...
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2011, 09:21:06 AM »
I agree that Versatile does have a scent to it.  But I've never noticed it carry over to any of my beers.  Usually I can't detect it on the equipment right after cleaning if I've rinsed it well.
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2011, 09:28:52 AM »
I agree that Versatile does have a scent to it.  But I've never noticed it carry over to any of my beers.  Usually I can't detect it on the equipment right after cleaning if I've rinsed it well.

Thanks for clarifying what I meant to say.  There is certainly no "Oxiclean aroma" that ends up in my beers.
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2011, 10:06:08 AM »
I use Versatile as well because it's super-cheap at Costco.  The fragrance is not very strong (compared to that of other detergents), and neither I nor any judges have detected any perfumy house character to my beers.

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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2011, 10:09:33 AM »
I've encountered the same issues with oxyclean (or any similar percarbonate cleanser) for long soaks of any type of material, be it corny kegs, vinyl tubing, plastic buckets, whatever.  The residue is rock hard and can be removed from the inside of a corny keg with manual scrubbing.  "Whitened" plastic tubing just needs to be tossed--there's no salvaging it with vinegar or any other chemical, IMO.  I've stopped using it because it just leaves a white film on everything that then requires manual scrubbing to remove.  Rinsing alone does not remove it from bottles and kegs.

I suspect the issue is the water profile--mine has a high alkalinity (see Jacksonville, FL).  I'd love to hear what Martin B or any other water chem expert has to say about the situation.  I'm curious:  What is the white residue and why does it occur for some of us and not others?

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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2011, 10:21:29 AM »
I guess I'd better clean my kegs soon.  I've had one soaking with PBW in it for about 9 days now.  lol
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2011, 11:26:55 AM »
I believe the guy from 5 Star said on Brew Strong that PBW has a chelator, where Oxyclean does not.  So there is less chance of hard water scale build up or something like that.

You're correct.  I use Oxiclean most of the time and about every 3 cleanings I use PBW to remove the tough organic stuff.
Is this pretty necessary?  I never do this.  Usually after a keg kicks, I rinse it out with water really well and run some through the lines.  Every few times I'll run Oxyclean through and let it sit for 15 minutes, then rinse with water.  Should I be doing this with PBW instead?  Or BLC?
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2011, 11:43:24 AM »
Is this pretty necessary?  I never do this.  Usually after a keg kicks, I rinse it out with water really well and run some through the lines.  Every few times I'll run Oxyclean through and let it sit for 15 minutes, then rinse with water.  Should I be doing this with PBW instead?  Or BLC?

Nope, it's not.  After talking to one of the 5 Star guys at NHC about how PBW was better for organic residue, though, I decided to try a test.  I cleaned some buckets with Oxiclean.  Then when they were really clean, I cleaned them again with PBW.  The PBW seemed to darken like it was removing stuff that the Oxi hadn't gotten.  I decided that PBW probably did a better job than Oxi, but not enough better to justify the expense of using it every time.  I still think Oxi does a great job.
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2011, 12:18:09 PM »
Denny, an overnight lye soak completely removed the discoloration my fermenters took on. They looked brand-new. However, it isn't cheap, but since I have a bunch of it- why not eh?
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2011, 12:29:12 PM »
Denny, an overnight lye soak completely removed the discoloration my fermenters took on. They looked brand-new. However, it isn't cheap, but since I have a bunch of it- why not eh?

Sure.  But in my case I don't think I want to put lye into my septic system.  Plus PBW worked great.  Plus, I don't have lye around like you do!  ;)
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2011, 12:30:55 PM »
Sure.  But in my case I don't think I want to put lye into my septic system.  Plus PBW worked great.  Plus, I don't have lye around like you do!  ;)

umm, I am going to be on a septic system soon.  so you're telling me I can't use lye any more?  good to know, now.  doh.
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2011, 12:34:51 PM »
Sure.  But in my case I don't think I want to put lye into my septic system.  Plus PBW worked great.  Plus, I don't have lye around like you do!  ;)

umm, I am going to be on a septic system soon.  so you're telling me I can't use lye any more?  good to know, now.  doh.

Well, Paul, I'm guessing since I'm not a chemist.  But I generally try to keep stuff like that out of the system. 
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Re: Oxyclean...I'm doing something wrong...
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2011, 12:35:12 PM »
Is this pretty necessary?  I never do this.  Usually after a keg kicks, I rinse it out with water really well and run some through the lines.  Every few times I'll run Oxyclean through and let it sit for 15 minutes, then rinse with water.  Should I be doing this with PBW instead?  Or BLC?

Nope, it's not.  After talking to one of the 5 Star guys at NHC about how PBW was better for organic residue, though, I decided to try a test.  I cleaned some buckets with Oxiclean.  Then when they were really clean, I cleaned them again with PBW.  The PBW seemed to darken like it was removing stuff that the Oxi hadn't gotten.  I decided that PBW probably did a better job than Oxi, but not enough better to justify the expense of using it every time.  I still think Oxi does a great job.
So it's safe to say that I could clean all my equipment and my beer lines with Oxyclean and shouldn't have a problem.
That's encouraging to know.  The brewing cleaning stuff isn't cheap.
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