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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2011, 06:03:30 AM »
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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2011, 06:39:53 AM »
So if I wanted to add a reddish tinge to a bitter, you're suggesting steeping instead of mashing the black malt?  I was going to add 2 oz of black patent to my mash but after reading this I'm reconsidering and maybe I'll do like the OP and steep it in the sparge water before I sparge.  Could I add the BPM to the mash tun after I collect the first runnings?  Would the sparging draw out enough colour (read:  I have no grain bag)?

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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2011, 06:43:51 AM »
You can add the black malt near the end of the mash right before the sparge. Again you'll have to dial in the quantity but start out with a small amount like an ounce or two and tweak it from there. Sinemar is your other option which can be added in the boil.
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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2011, 08:22:57 AM »
Does using CaraRed to get a reddish color add too much maltiness to the beer for BJCP purposes?
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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2011, 08:30:46 AM »
Red IPA/imperial red isn't a BJCP style, so it's all subjective.  I'd expect a caramelly character in those kinds of beers, so if it gives you that, then you're probably fine.
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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2011, 04:55:03 PM »
I was thinking about this today at work (where this and many other sites are blocked).  Would it work to add 1 oz or so each of chocolate, roasted barley, and black patent to the steeping idea?  Would the flavors blend together and be a bit less noticeable or would it end up tasting weird and confusing?  It seems like that would lend the color I desire along with the .4 lbs of C120.  I know at some point I will just decide what to do and go with an idea, but playing with this type of recipe is expensive with all those now hard to find hops!

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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2011, 01:08:44 PM »
Ok, first post on this forum, been on NB forum for a while.  Be gentle please  :D 

I have a partial mash recipe here for a half boil on the stove top.  I would like to have this recipe work year round, even in the frozen months when I do not brew outside, hence the partial boil.  Here it is from my Beersmith files:

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Green Monster Red
Brewer: Rob Colton
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: Partial Mash
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.50 gal     
Boil Size: 2.40 gal
Estimated OG: 1.066 SG
Estimated Color: 11.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 85.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount        Item                                      Type         % or IBU     
5.50 lb       Muntons Light DME (3.5 SRM)               Dry Extract  56.70 %       
3.50 lb       Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)            Grain        36.08 %       
0.30 lb       Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM)    Grain        3.09 %       
0.25 lb       Melanoiden Malt (25.0 SRM)                Grain        2.58 %       
0.15 lb       Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM)                Grain        1.55 %       
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [8.50 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)  Hops          -           
1.00 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %]  (Dry Hop 7 Hops          -           
1.00 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)        Hops          -           
1.00 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %]  (60 min)   Hops         17.5 IBU     
1.00 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (20 min)                Hops         9.8 IBU       
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [8.50 %]  (10 min)          Hops         3.8 IBU       
1.00 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (10 min)                Hops         5.9 IBU       
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [8.50 %]  (0 min) (Aroma HopHops          -           
1.00 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (0 min) (Aroma Hop-SteepHops          -           
1.00 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %]  (0 min) (ArHops          -           
1.00 items    Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min)          Misc                       
7.00 gal      Poland Spring (R)                         Water                     
1 Pkgs        American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [Starter Yeast-Ale                 


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 4.20 lb
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Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time     Name               Description                         Step Temp     
75 min        Mash In            Add 5.25 qt of water at 163.7 F     152.0 F     


The question is about the grain bill, will this be too malty for an IPA?  I know that a "red ipa" is not to style anyway, but I just don't want too much malty character in the beer.  The specialty grains are chosen mostly to impart as much of a red color as I can get.  Also note that this will be a 90 min boil to help the melanioden malt kick up the red, thats what I have been told anyway.  I have never used roasted barley or melanoiden malt before, so some advise would be appreciated!

Cheers!



           
1.00 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %]  (60 min)   Hops         17.5 IBU     
1.00 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (20 min)                Hops         9.8 IBU       
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [8.50 %]  (10 min)          Hops         3.8 IBU       
1.00 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (10 min)                Hops         5.9 IBU       


Where are the 85 IBUs?

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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2011, 06:15:50 PM »
I don't know why Beersmith shows the addtions this way, but this is a partial mash and partial boil, with the 5.5 lbs of DME as a late addition.  I have made a Pliny the Elder clone this way and it came out right.  I agree, it looks screwy compared to my AG full boil recipes, but the outcome is the same.

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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2011, 06:30:47 PM »
Something tells me it is an error: 1oz. of Columbus at 60min will give you way more than 17 IBUs.  It looks like 85 IBUs to me.

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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2011, 07:21:52 PM »
I find that the total IBUs calculated by Beersmith are generally right, but the individual calculations shown for each hop addition are way off when you are working with a partial mash and partial boil situation.  This recipe when coverted to all grain and a full boil of 8.5 gallons shows a calculated IBU of 121, which seems right.  I don't even pay attention to the individual hop addition IBU calculation, as long as the total numbers is right, which it has been in the past for both partial mash and AG recipes.  I'm sure the software writer(s) could shed some light on this.

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Re: Red IPA - what do you think?
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2011, 06:17:50 PM »
Here is what I ended up with for a recipe.  It has been in primary for 5 weeks, with a 6 day dry hop and is now cold crashed to 33 degrees until Saturday for bottling.  I can't wait!

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.50 gal     
Boil Size: 8.52 gal
Estimated OG: 1.077 SG
Estimated Color: 14.4 SRM
Estimated IBU: 129.1 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount        Item                                      Type         % or IBU     
1 lbs 4.0 oz  Muntons Xtra Light DME (2.0 SRM)          Dry Extract  8.39 %       
6 lbs         Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)            Grain        40.30 %       
6 lbs         Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM)             Grain        40.30 %       
1 lbs         Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM)                     Grain        6.72 %       
7.0 oz        Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM)     Grain        2.96 %       
1.6 oz        Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM)           Grain        0.67 %       
1.6 oz        Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM)                Grain        0.67 %       
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [9.00 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)  Hops          -           
1.00 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %]  (90 min)   Hops         45.0 IBU     
1.00 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %]  (60 min)   Hops         42.1 IBU     
1.00 oz       Simcoe [13.00 %]  (Dry Hop 7 days)        Hops          -           
1.00 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %]  (Dry Hop 7 Hops          -           
1.00 oz       Simcoe [14.00 %]  (30 min)                Hops         29.1 IBU     
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [9.00 %]  (5 min)           Hops         5.4 IBU       
1.00 oz       Simcoe [14.00 %]  (5 min)                 Hops         7.5 IBU       
1.00 oz       Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %]  (0 min) (ArHops          -           
1.00 oz       Simcoe [14.00 %]  (0 min) (Aroma Hop-SteepHops          -           
1.00 oz       Amarillo Gold [9.00 %]  (0 min) (Aroma HopHops          -           
1.00 items    Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min)          Misc                       
10.00 gal     Poland Spring (R)                         Water                     
1 Pkgs        American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [StartYeast-Ale                 


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 13.64 lb
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Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time     Name               Description                         Step Temp     
75 min        Mash In            Add 15.69 qt of water at 167.2 F    150.0 F