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Doctoring Beers
« on: April 23, 2011, 10:13:04 PM »
I've seen the recommendations at http://www.bjcp.org/study.php#drbeer for doctoring beers.  Does anyone have any additional suggestions for things that can be done quickly to prep for the BJCP exam?  We have one more study group session before our BJCP exam and I'd like our members to be as prepared as possible.

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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2011, 04:29:53 AM »
A little late in the game for your study group, but the BJCP will provide a flavor evaluation kit to organized & registered study groups that are prepping for the exam. Sit down, and grab your beer....... these are FREE.

They are provided (in partnership with Siebel) through the BJCP CEP (continuing education program). This is an awesome resource and more study groups should take advantage of it. The kits contain enough of each  chemical to provide 20 samples.  http://www.bjcp.org/cep/kits.php
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 07:18:29 AM »
A little late in the game for your study group, but the BJCP will provide a flavor evaluation kit to organized & registered study groups that are prepping for the exam. Sit down, and grab your beer....... these are FREE.

They are provided (in partnership with Siebel) through the BJCP CEP (continuing education program). This is an awesome resource and more study groups should take advantage of it. The kits contain enough of each  chemical to provide 20 samples.  http://www.bjcp.org/cep/kits.php

Tried that.  Didn't get here in time, hence the last minute rush to find something.

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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 08:13:18 AM »
Rather than trying to get sensory evaluation of off-flavors in at this late date, I'd recommend practice judging.  Get together with several people and together fill out score sheets on some homebrews and/or commercial beers.  Have each person critique what has been written by the others.
This will hone you in on being descriptive and complete.
Practice writing out answers to some of the sample questions, not just for the mental exercise, but to exercise the hand, too.  It's tough writing for three hours straight.
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 08:24:26 AM »
The bjcp list covers most things.  We didn't get ours in time (or yet) either.

You can also buy one through the bjcp for $50, but that takes a while too.  What parts are you from?  Maybe someone nearby has some.
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2011, 09:52:06 AM »
The bjcp list covers most things.  We didn't get ours in time (or yet) either.

It does seem to be a slow process.  Kris is (was) in charge of that and now that he's opening a brewery it might put even more of a strain on his time.  We didn't get ours in time for the scheduled session, even though I'd let him know months in advance when we needed it.
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 10:19:41 AM »
I tried to order one and got a message that I could only order one per year, yet it was my first try.  It never did get resolved.  I'll try again one day as I understand it's a very good kit.
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2011, 01:17:19 PM »
Yeah, it's very good.  Definitely worth another try.
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 01:30:45 AM »
Hey, this is EXACTLY what I want to do with my club for an event sometime soon. Is there the option to pay for a kit if we're not doing anything BJCP-related?
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2011, 02:02:12 AM »
Hey, this is EXACTLY what I want to do with my club for an event sometime soon. Is there the option to pay for a kit if we're not doing anything BJCP-related?

I'd say that training homebrew club members to recognize off-flavors is definitely BJCP-related.

Get a club member who's a member of the BJCP (i.e., has taken the exam) to ask the BJCP Continuing Education Director for a kit (details here: http://www.bjcp.org/cep/kits.php). Then, once you get it, have him bill your club for the cost.

If you want to get fancy, you could try to turn the tasting into a BREWS session. It's my experience, though, that 20 different off-flavors is just too much for one session. Break it down into 2-4 sessions over a couple of weeks or months.

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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 12:31:48 AM »
Hey, this is EXACTLY what I want to do with my club for an event sometime soon. Is there the option to pay for a kit if we're not doing anything BJCP-related?

I'd say that training homebrew club members to recognize off-flavors is definitely BJCP-related.

Get a club member who's a member of the BJCP (i.e., has taken the exam) to ask the BJCP Continuing Education Director for a kit (details here: http://www.bjcp.org/cep/kits.php). Then, once you get it, have him bill your club for the cost.

If you want to get fancy, you could try to turn the tasting into a BREWS session. It's my experience, though, that 20 different off-flavors is just too much for one session. Break it down into 2-4 sessions over a couple of weeks or months.

Sadly we have no members who are in the BJCP. In fact I don't think there's anyone in this country who's a BJCP member. $180 for the kit is too much to be honest, I'm just going to follow the doctoring guidelines set out in the BJCP manual.
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 06:33:14 AM »
Hey, this is EXACTLY what I want to do with my club for an event sometime soon. Is there the option to pay for a kit if we're not doing anything BJCP-related?

I'd say that training homebrew club members to recognize off-flavors is definitely BJCP-related.

Get a club member who's a member of the BJCP (i.e., has taken the exam) to ask the BJCP Continuing Education Director for a kit (details here: http://www.bjcp.org/cep/kits.php). Then, once you get it, have him bill your club for the cost.

If you want to get fancy, you could try to turn the tasting into a BREWS session. It's my experience, though, that 20 different off-flavors is just too much for one session. Break it down into 2-4 sessions over a couple of weeks or months.

Sadly we have no members who are in the BJCP. In fact I don't think there's anyone in this country who's a BJCP member. $180 for the kit is too much to be honest, I'm just going to follow the doctoring guidelines set out in the BJCP manual.

We did get our kit in time so we ended up using that.  We blind tasted 2 samples of each, one at the recommended dose and one at double dose.  Some of them worked very good, but some were just not there.  DMS was totally laking at both dosages, we had better examples of DMS in commercial and homebrewed beers.

I think you can home doctor beers almost as good or better in some cases than the kit.  It will take more work to put it all together though.

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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 03:14:54 AM »
Sadly we have no members who are in the BJCP. In fact I don't think there's anyone in this country who's a BJCP member. $180 for the kit is too much to be honest, I'm just going to follow the doctoring guidelines set out in the BJCP manual.

The BJCP might make allowances for people outside North America who are planning on taking the exam. Also, in Europe, Flavor Activ's products (http://www.flavoractiv.com/) might be cheaper than flying a kit over from the US.

Before you pay for a professional kit, though, look at the ingredients. No reason to pay more money for a specialty product when you can get it for cheap at a grocery, homebrew store or baking supply shop.

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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2011, 05:07:28 AM »
Sadly we have no members who are in the BJCP. In fact I don't think there's anyone in this country who's a BJCP member. $180 for the kit is too much to be honest, I'm just going to follow the doctoring guidelines set out in the BJCP manual.

The BJCP might make allowances for people outside North America who are planning on taking the exam. Also, in Europe, Flavor Activ's products (http://www.flavoractiv.com/) might be cheaper than flying a kit over from the US.

Before you pay for a professional kit, though, look at the ingredients. No reason to pay more money for a specialty product when you can get it for cheap at a grocery, homebrew store or baking supply shop.

I've considered the BJCP exam in general but 1. finding a place to take the test and 2. finding a place that has classes are both effectively impossible. I think there was an exam in London a few months ago, but I have no idea when the next one will be.

I think the homemade route is the best one - plus, the flavoractiv people are charging a huge amount of money for their kits. Still, it's a great resource - thanks for sharing the link.
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Re: Doctoring Beers
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 10:38:38 AM »
It's my experience, though, that 20 different off-flavors is just too much for one session. Break it down into 2-4 sessions over a couple of weeks or months.
Ditto.  Our last BJCP study group spread the off-flavors throughout the sessions.  One or two at a time. 
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