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WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« on: May 09, 2011, 08:33:00 PM »
I am very excited to try this yeast, but I had a couple of questions...
1)  When you have a blend of yeast, I'm assuming that the blend is created to get particular attributes.  What happens when you re-use that blend after a few batches?  Will the brett/ Farmhouse yeast balance be thrown off?  Will I have a pineapple Brett bomb after 5 batches?
2)  Does anyone know the origin of this yeast?  Was the blend created by white labs, or is it from a brewery? 

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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 09:10:08 PM »
1 - the strains will probably grow at different rates and throw off the intended balance.  The farmhouse strain is probably either S. cerevisiae or S. bayanus, which will grow faster than the Brett.  So you'll end up with the opposite of a pineapple brett bomb.

2 - I don't know.  I could guess, but it would be based on nothing.
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 10:32:51 PM »
I sent them an email about it and they replied:

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The strain info in the blend is proprietary. I can say though, that is comes
from Lost Abbey Brewery.

After getting this reply I dig some googling and there was a post on the babblebelt that had the same info but also that neither of the strains was new to white labs.  Someone also posted saying that Tomme Arthur said it had nothing to do with them.  I read it on the net, it has to be true

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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 01:02:57 AM »
If we assume everything you read is true, then maybe "it comes from Lost Abbey" means it is some combination that they use, not that they gave the yeast to WL.  I don't know though.
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 07:37:53 AM »
If we assume everything you read is true, then maybe "it comes from Lost Abbey" means it is some combination that they use, not that they gave the yeast to WL.  I don't know though.

I was thinking that it happens to be strains they order but Lost Abbey doesn't want to reveal that.  I was really excited about picking this up to try but I decided against it.  I hate using blends of unknown things unless they are available all the time.

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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2011, 09:01:05 AM »
I would agree.  Why would they not tell you what it is, are they afraid you'll buy the strains separately and blend on your own?  Why would they care?  Maybe they're afraid you'll buy the strains from Wyeast and blend on your own . . .
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2011, 05:31:21 AM »
I don't think they would really be worried about that.  I know some folks out there have their own fully equipped home yeast lab but not many of us.  I "ranch" yeast but I do not have the means to create a balanced blend of yeasts designed to perform the same way each batch.
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2011, 09:44:11 AM »
Why not?  You can't approximate cells counts and pitch relative proportions?

But a better question may be, why would WL not say what is in it?  I can't think of a good reason.
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2011, 04:40:56 PM »
If it is reminiscent of Lost Abbey, I can't wait to brew with it!  I'm not the biggest fan of white labs, but I guess I have to go for it.
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2011, 08:16:27 PM »
You could.  Or you can use a saison yeast and add some Brett.  ;)
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 08:34:05 PM »
That might be a better idea!  However, I must express my ignorance.  I've been brewing for 8 years and have never made a funky/sour beer (on purpose).  Is there a good resource on-line to read up on?  I have "Wild Brews" and "Farmhouse Ales", I've just never read them, would one of those be a good place to start?
After reading a bit about using Brett on the Wyeast website, If I were to use a Brett strain, could I add it when I add the French Saison (my choice of yeast), or should I wait until Primary has finished?

Thanks for the info,
Dave
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2011, 09:07:00 PM »
This really depends on what you are going for.  You can do either, and it will likely have different effects.  I'm basing that on some work Greg Doss from Wyeast presented at the NHC a few years back, he found holding off on the brett gave better flavor but he wasn't using a Saison yeast, he was using a Belgian strain.  Wild brews would be a good resource, more so than Farmhouse Ales I think.

You can also check out this blog, The Mad Fermentationist.
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2011, 08:46:03 PM »
So, the guy at my LHBS said that it was French Ale and Lactobacillus...?
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2011, 09:33:11 PM »
White Labs says what is below.  He probably just misspoke.

http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/strains_wlp670.html

WLP670 American Farmhouse Blend
Inspired by local American brewers crafting semi-traditional Belgian-style ales. This blend creates a complex flavor profile with a moderate level of sourness. It consists of a traditional farmhouse yeast strain and Brettanomyces. Great yeast for farmhouse ales, Saisons, and other Belgian-inspired beers.
Attenuation: 75-82%
Flocculation: Medium
Optimum Fermentation Temperature: 68-72°F
(20-22°C)
Alcohol Tolerance: 5-10%
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Re: WLP 670 American Farmhouse blend
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2011, 08:26:36 PM »
Thanks for the links Tom, I like how the first slide on the AHA presentation mentions mouse urine.  MMM... mouse urine.
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