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First Wort Hopping
« on: June 10, 2011, 08:27:43 PM »
For first wort hopping what is the utilization, is it about 30%? Does it add any flavor? I've read it adds aroma. I'm just curious how to adjust my recipe if I even need to at all. Do you need to add aroma hops or is it taken care of with the First wort hopping.
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Re: First Wort Hopping
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2011, 08:47:17 PM »
Gordon Strong, in his new book "Brewing Better Beer", lays it out.  He considers it about equivalent with adding hops at 20 minutes left in the boil, if I recall correctly.
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Re: First Wort Hopping
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2011, 08:54:29 PM »
In my experience it does add flavor, but the flavor is more subtle.  If you're looking for forward hop flavor you may want to augment with a flavor addition.  You're not going to get any aroma from it.

I did an all FWH ESB and while it was good, I wouldn't do it again.  I want more hops, both in terms of bitterness (or the perception thereof) and flavor, than what FWH provide all on their lonesome. 
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Re: First Wort Hopping
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2011, 09:11:59 AM »
Definitely makes a flavor contribution, no aroma.  For bitterness, lots of folks calculate it as equivalent to a 20 minute addition.  Personally, I tend to treat it more like a 65 minute addition.
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Re: First Wort Hopping
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2011, 08:25:26 AM »
Definitely makes a flavor contribution, no aroma.  For bitterness, lots of folks calculate it as equivalent to a 20 minute addition.  Personally, I tend to treat it more like a 65 minute addition.

+1  For my tastes, estimating the perceived bitterness of a FWH addition at 20 minutes just didn't seem right.  I also treat my FWH additions like a 65 minute addition (as far as perceived bitterness is concerned).
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Re: First Wort Hopping
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2011, 10:09:18 AM »
I asked the same question a few weeks ago.  Seems like there are two camps.  Some think it's comparable to a 20 minute addition, others think it adds much more bitterness than that.  I just brewed a very plain cream ale using only 1 oz of Cascade FWH to make up my mind for myself.  I've also added 1 oz of FWH and then 20g of Northern Brewer to a 60 minute boil and I will say it was not as bitter as I would have expected 1.75 oz of 8% AA hops added for a full 60 mins so I think the FWH bitterness was less than it would have been added at full boil.  I like the flavour but I'm not sure that I'm going to keep doing this.  I think it depends a lot on the type of beer I want to make. 

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Re: First Wort Hopping
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2011, 01:26:23 PM »
I actually mentioned both in my book since there are obviously different opinions on it.

IBUs are real. They can be measured. FWH measures out to about the same as a 65 minute boil addition. That's known.

But it doesn't really always taste that way to me.  So I mentioned the 20 minute stat, and introduced the notion of real bitterness vs. perceived bitterness.  I haven't done enough tests to decide when that holds true and when it doesn't, but I know in some styles, the bitterness just seems less since it isn't as harsh.

I guess I might treat is as a 20 minute addition in a hoppy beer and a 65 minute addition in a delicate beer.  I remember doing it in an APA and thinking that it wound up tasting more like a blonde ale.

There's more to how you pick up bitterness on your palate than simply IBUs.  I also introduced the notion of BU:FG as a way of thinking about it.  It's just kinda hard to do some of these tests since I don't have lab equipment that can measure IBUs, and the real tests are expensive.
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