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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2011, 11:17:31 AM »
Can't have you selling the non-poisonous stuff and leeching rightful income away from the state. Oh, and won't something think of the poor blind children who should be getting into Dad's Chivas Regal? :)
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2011, 11:53:48 AM »
Can't have you selling the non-poisonous stuff and leeching rightful income away from the state. Oh, and won't something think of the poor blind children who should be getting into Dad's Chivas Regal? :)
I often marvel that homebrewing wasn't/hasn't been quashed under the same logic. I know the feds are losing a tiny piece of revenue because of my efforts  8)

I went looking for state tax rates and found this PDF. No wonder Alabama doesn't want to legalize homebrew -- the beer tax in 2009 was $1.05 a gallon.
www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/state_rank--jan_2009.pdf
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2011, 11:58:57 AM »
At one of the NHC talks the presenter mentioned that you can get a liscense to home distill - to make fuel.  The fuel must have additives that turn the fuel into a poison.

 So it's OK to make poison at home but not spirits...  ::)
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2011, 12:55:31 PM »
Can't have you selling the non-poisonous stuff and leeching rightful income away from the state. Oh, and won't something think of the poor blind children who should be getting into Dad's Chivas Regal? :)
I often marvel that homebrewing wasn't/hasn't been quashed under the same logic. I know the feds are losing a tiny piece of revenue because of my efforts  8)

I went looking for state tax rates and found this PDF. No wonder Alabama doesn't want to legalize homebrew -- the beer tax in 2009 was $1.05 a gallon.
www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/state_rank--jan_2009.pdf
I think someone needs to make the point to them that the ingredients for a 5 gallon batch of beer - $20 worth of extract, $20 worth of hops, $15 worth of yeast, so $55 in Montgomery would bring in $5.50 in tax, which is $1.10 per gallon.  Let alone the money spent on equipment.

They won't know enough to know that those ingredients would make you a strong hoppy beer and you can make other beer for cheaper, let alone all grain and yeast ranching.  You don't want to overwhelm them with facts and details, they don't seem too fond of those.
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2011, 12:57:40 PM »
They don't care what you pay for your beer ingredients, They only care about the taxes they don't get from it.

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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2011, 12:59:24 PM »
They don't care what you pay for your beer ingredients, They only care about the taxes they don't get from it.
Which part of sales tax collected on the ingredients purchase do you or they not understand?
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2011, 01:24:55 PM »
They don't care what you pay for your beer ingredients, They only care about the taxes they don't get from it.
Which part of sales tax collected on the ingredients purchase do you or they not understand?

yes but they get that sales tax anyway when the brewer (Commercial) buys the ingredients for the beer they sell. so they get tax from a homebrewer based on the ingredients they buy but on commercial beer they get sales tax on ingredients brewer buys plus sales/liquour tax on the drinkers purchase.
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2011, 01:28:27 PM »
They don't care what you pay for your beer ingredients, They only care about the taxes they don't get from it.
Which part of sales tax collected on the ingredients purchase do you or they not understand?

yes but they get that sales tax anyway when the brewer (Commercial) buys the ingredients for the beer they sell. so they get tax from a homebrewer based on the ingredients they buy but on commercial beer they get sales tax on ingredients brewer buys plus sales/liquour tax on the drinkers purchase.
It might be state dependent, but most businesses do not pay tax on something that they plan to resell, especially ingredients.
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2011, 01:32:24 PM »
I think I forgot one of these on my post ;)

If you look at that chart, most of the Bible Belt states tax beer pretty heavily. I think Alabama's resistance to homebrewing can be attributed to many other factors.
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2011, 01:42:47 PM »
I think I forgot one of these on my post ;)

If you look at that chart, most of the Bible Belt states tax beer pretty heavily. I think Alabama's resistance to homebrewing can be attributed to many other factors.
You're right, based on all of the dry counties in AL I don't think the tax revenue is that important to them.
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2011, 01:48:21 PM »
Can you make whiskey in Florida?  Yes.
May you make whiskey in Florida?  No.  ;)
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2011, 02:19:07 PM »
Not all states charges sales tax on ingredients, as they are considered food products. I'm not sure about AL.

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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2011, 05:24:51 PM »
Can you make whiskey in Florida?  Yes.
May you make whiskey in Florida?  No.  ;)
This discussion should be done more discretely.

Yes/no is binary, so I'm pretty sure it's mathematically impossible to be any more discrete. ;D
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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2011, 10:11:13 PM »
Can you make whiskey in Florida?  Yes.
May you make whiskey in Florida?  No.  ;)
This discussion should be done more discretely.

Yes/no is binary, so I'm pretty sure it's mathematically impossible to be any more discrete. ;D


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Re: Can I make whiskey in Florida
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2011, 02:58:55 AM »
The last time we talked about this the thread got locked.  Is Denny on vacation? ;)
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