[dano14041]

I am looking to brew the  McKenzie's Saison Vautour clone from the current issue of BYO.

9 lbs Pilsner malt
2 lbs Rye malt
0.5 lbs soft blond candi sugar
1.3 oz Hallertau Tradition 4% (60 min)
0.35 oz Hallertau Tradition 4% (15 min)
0.35 oz Hallertau Tradition 4% (5 min)
0.25 oz East Kent Goldings hops (15 min)
0.25 oz East Kent Goldings hops (5 min)
White Labs QLP566 (Belgian Saison II)

The estimated SRM is 4. I was wondering if I could sub 1 lb Carared for 1 lb of Pilsner without affecting the taste and characteristic of the Saison?

[narvin]

Probably not.  If you want an orange color without affecting body or sweetness, add an ounce of Carafa Special

[brewmasternpb]

I'm unfamilliar with that Saison, but if that's the recipe they use, I would bet they do a very long boil to get an orange color.

[majorvices]

I'm not very familiar with cara red but if it is a type of crystal malt you might not want to add it to a saison. I like my saison as dry as possible and adding crystal malt would defeat the purpose of trying to dry the beer out. The carafa special suggestion would be your best bet to get an orange color. That's exactly what I add for one of my saison recipes to get a "sunrise orange" color.

[dano14041]

Thanks for the suggestions and advice!

Have a great day!
Dano

[ipscman]

Considering this recipe myself. Two questions:
1. How did it turn out?
2. Did you consider or use the addition of Lambic Blend to make it a sour?

Thanks,

Mark

[euge]

I get a nice orange from a 7% Vienna addition.

[firedog23]

I am looking to brew the  McKenzie's Saison Vautour clone from the current issue of BYO.

9 lbs Pilsner malt
2 lbs Rye malt
0.5 lbs soft blond candi sugar
1.3 oz Hallertau Tradition 4% (60 min)
0.35 oz Hallertau Tradition 4% (15 min)
0.35 oz Hallertau Tradition 4% (5 min)
0.25 oz East Kent Goldings hops (15 min)
0.25 oz East Kent Goldings hops (5 min)
White Labs QLP566 (Belgian Saison II)

The estimated SRM is 4. I was wondering if I could sub 1 lb Carared for 1 lb of Pilsner without affecting the taste and characteristic of the Saison?

How did this turn out?