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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2010, 02:58:57 PM »
When comparing salaries, don't forget to apply the many vacation days for Christmas, spring break and summer.

Indeed I don't. Don't forget to add in all the hours spent doing unpaid mandatory activities like sponsoring clubs, tutoring, attending events as ticket takers, etc, etc or the unpaid days at the ends of those vacations when they're expected to be at school, planning and preparing their lessons or catching up with grading, etc. Plus, I'll tell you, the 2 months of no pay are no fun for any teacher. I've felt that first hand!

its where the monies actually get spent perhaps?  

If you want to hear complaints about where the money goes - talk to the teachers. Out here each teacher gets a stipend for their classroom to spend for supplies for the year. The amount? $200. That's for one year for supplying and decorating a room that's used by 120 students. Getting new books is a giant hassle - except of course when the district gets restricted funds and then goes off and buys a slew of books with no teacher input. Sometimes even getting enough desks is impossible and the amount of begging, cajoling and stressing needed to secure that is enough to put someone off their rocker. Forget ever getting enough funds to buy a set of new novels that might interest the kids more. Ironically, its probably easier to get a set of computers for a classroom than books since funds actually get reserved for them.

The games that districts play sometimes are indeed outrageous, but sometimes to get a bond approved that's what they'll need to do. Its not that different than the games I've seen local transportation boards play to pass road bonds. I imagine LA is due for some infrastructure bonds in the wake of all the water main breaks we've seen due to restricted lawn watering pressures.

I'm just trying to figure out how beer, eggs, trapped methane, teacher's salary's and The Muppets has anything to do with going green. Inquiring minds want to know.  ;D

Yeah, we got off topic. I can't help it when teachers get involved though! I suppose we probably ought to shelve it though and I have to say that even in the midst of this heat we've done pretty damn well. I appreciate everyone's points and trust me I would love to cut the districts off at the knees and redirect the funds to the frontline. If I have to read one more story about district management spending tens of thousands of dollars on an executive bathroom (true story from years ago), I'll cry.
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2010, 03:00:45 PM »
Hey Drew, here is my personal take on teachers.  A good teacher can turn mountains into molehills and a mediocre teacher will turn molehills into mountains.

Honestly, you'd be really surprised. Some of these kids and some of these problems are so intractable that its like trying to put out a forest fire with a garden hose. Most people can only take beating their head against an apathetic wall for so long before passing out and giving up.
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2010, 03:01:01 PM »
Turtles are green!

 :D :D  Thats a good one!!   ;D
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2010, 03:04:36 PM »
Does anybody else have a problem with the text box jumping if they type a message with any length to it on here?  I do and sometimes my words get jumbled up because I the box jumps every keystroke.   :D >:(

Sounds like it would have to be a browser and/or OS issue...
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #64 on: January 06, 2010, 03:07:43 PM »
Its the system Drew, changing it is... well like fighting city hall, or the feds actually.  Now they're going into healthcare too.   :o  

I think its all just a numbers game, first to the moon (question: did it really happen?), highest educated populace, number of graduates per degree, how quickly graduates can be produced, etc. etc.  Just pick a subject and I'm sure the government has their fingers in it and probably way deeper than anyone knows.  Its probably related to budgets, if you don't spend it then you really don't need it so we all know where it goes from there...

Robert, if you get your raise put in a good word for me too eh?   ;) :D

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #65 on: January 06, 2010, 03:11:27 PM »
Does anybody else have a problem with the text box jumping if they type a message with any length to it on here?  I do and sometimes my words get jumbled up because I the box jumps every keystroke.   :D >:(

Sounds like it would have to be a browser and/or OS issue...

I use 6 different computers, all running XP Pro and Firefox, to view this forum and I've never had that problem.
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2010, 03:11:53 PM »
Will do dean!

We've been promised one for so long now, but it keeps getting cut.
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2010, 03:15:44 PM »
Drew, thank you a million times over for your eloquent words about teachers and education.
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2010, 03:17:22 PM »
Hey Drew, here is my personal take on teachers.  A good teacher can turn mountains into molehills and a mediocre teacher will turn molehills into mountains.

Honestly, you'd be really surprised. Some of these kids and some of these problems are so intractable that its like trying to put out a forest fire with a garden hose. Most people can only take beating their head against an apathetic wall for so long before passing out and giving up.

I'm sure you're right.  But some of that is because they feel like they are nothing more than cattle being prodded around and told they must do this or that when a good many of them Know they will never get beyond their current situation in life regardless of How Much they learn.  We all do things our employers tell us to do even though we know its bullshyt... some education is the same way... but teachers are subject to playing the game just as we are.  Kids aren't stupid, and they know who/what is the real deal they just can't do anything about it.

I seriously mean No Disrespect to Teachers, I hope you know that.
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2010, 03:19:20 PM »
Does anybody else have a problem with the text box jumping if they type a message with any length to it on here?  I do and sometimes my words get jumbled up because I the box jumps every keystroke.   :D >:(

Sounds like it would have to be a browser and/or OS issue...

I use 6 different computers, all running XP Pro and Firefox, to view this forum and I've never had that problem.

XP Pro and XP Home, SP3, and IE8 (possibly IE7), and I experience it regularly.  It occurs once your post goes beyond the text box, each new line is hidden.  Doing it right now!  :D  At least it helps me be less longwinded (a plot perhaps?  ;) ).

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2010, 03:27:15 PM »
It probably would sound almost trollish of me to mention it, but I'd be in favor of scrapping government schools, at least from the federal level.  At the state and local level I'm a lot more in favor of government education.  I'm also a skeptic/unbeliever/infidel as regards AGW, to make matters worse for me.  To quote Python (after Cleese in a vox pop lays out his plan to fight poverty with bombs, machine guns, and vultures) "I know these views aren't popular, but I have never courted popularity."

But I think teachers are way cool!  :D

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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2010, 03:28:25 PM »
XP Pro and XP Home, SP3, and IE8 (possibly IE7), and I experience it regularly.  It occurs once your post goes beyond the text box, each new line is hidden.  Doing it right now!  :D  At least it helps me be less longwinded (a plot perhaps?  ;) ).

If the text box isn't scrolling, that's definitely the browser or OS.
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2010, 03:29:38 PM »
first to the moon (question: did it really happen?)

Aaaand there goes the neighborhood.
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Re: Going Green?
« Reply #73 on: January 06, 2010, 03:40:01 PM »
first to the moon (question: did it really happen?)

Aaaand there goes the neighborhood.

 :D ;D

Okay so what about my browser or operating system... how can I tell or check if thats the problem?  If it is then how do I fix it?   ???  I am Not a computer guru.   :D

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« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2010, 03:45:15 PM »
First step would be to try a different browser and see if it still happens. The only post I've seen that mentions it is IE... is that what you're using? If so, try Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, etc.
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