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OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« on: September 20, 2011, 12:08:03 PM »
So, I'm doing a Zymurgy article and I thought I'd do some research on making hop teas to compare hops.  I've done this before with poor results, but I wanted to quantify things a bit.  Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth.  Do people actually make this stuff and put it in their beers?  Man, I shudder just thinking about what it tasted like.
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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2011, 12:14:08 PM »
LOL!!!!  Can't wait to see the article Denny.
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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 12:48:04 PM »
but you will sleep well. ;D
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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2011, 12:53:45 PM »
So, I'm doing a Zymurgy article and I thought I'd do some research on making hop teas to compare hops.  I've done this before with poor results, but I wanted to quantify things a bit.  Holy s***!  That has got to be some of the most vile, disgusting stuff to ever pass my lips!  3 hours later I can't get the harshness out of my mouth.  Do people actually make this stuff and put it in their beers?  Man, I shudder just thinking about what it tasted like.

That's how I feel about the green tea that is all the rage, these days.

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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2011, 12:56:59 PM »
but you will sleep well. ;D

I don't think so...this crap makes me feel like I wanna puke....
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2011, 12:59:39 PM »
You adding any DME to that tea?

I have a theory it helps both extraction and flavor. :)
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2011, 01:06:20 PM »
A couple of thoughts Denny:
1. Leaf or pellets? I imagine a hop tea with pellets will be a little more vegetal and harsh?

2. The warmer/hotter the extraction may result in more harsh characteristics, ie cold-steeping coffee vs. french press vs. a percolater?

3. Water chemistry: similar to Burton vs. Pilsner water.  Would using R/O or DI result in a less harsh flavor profile do to the water chemistry in tap water?

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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2011, 01:09:28 PM »
You adding any DME to that tea?

I have a theory it helps both extraction and flavor. :)

Nope, I didn't.  I hope to god I don't get any more extraction that I already did!  I'm sure flavor would be improved, but I wanted to keep it "pure".  I tried whole (homegrown) Cascade and Columbus and Mt. Hood pellets.  All I can really say is that you could tell a difference between them all.
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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2011, 01:11:24 PM »
I think you actually extract different things based on the pH and minerals in the water so I think you get a better example of what to expect in the beer with a DME tea than just a tea.
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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2011, 01:12:24 PM »
A couple of thoughts Denny:
1. Leaf or pellets? I imagine a hop tea with pellets will be a little more vegetal and harsh?

Both...actually the pellets were better

2. The warmer/hotter the extraction may result in more harsh characteristics, ie cold-steeping coffee vs. french press vs. a percolater?

Water was 170.  Less than in the kettle where they normally go, maybe a touch hotter than FWH temps

3. Water chemistry: similar to Burton vs. Pilsner water.  Would using R/O or DI result in a less harsh flavor profile do to the water chemistry in tap water?

My water isn't very extreme.  RO or DI might be better, but I was looking for something that anyone could do in their kitchen as a way of comparing hops and learning their flavors.
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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 01:13:42 PM »
I think you actually extract different things based on the pH and minerals in the water so I think you get a better example of what to expect in the beer with a DME tea than just a tea.

I agree with you, although when I did this before I adjusted water pH without improving the results much.  I wanted to try  KISS method for people to try at home.
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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2011, 01:18:21 PM »
Contact time would also be a factor.

What about blending the tea with something tasteless like a BMC? ;D

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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2011, 01:24:47 PM »
Contact time would also be a factor.

What about blending the tea with something tasteless like a BMC? ;D

5 min. contact time. 
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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 01:28:41 PM »
I wonder if it has the same effects as a hop extract?  :-\

Hey Denny...just a little dab will do ya..it's good for what ales ya.  :D

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Re: OH MY GAWD...disgusting...yuck yuck
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2011, 02:03:13 PM »
Hey Denny...just a little dab will do ya..it's good for what ales ya.  :D



A l'il dab is even too much!
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